English Weather

[mapoui]

I have been to england twice in my life. I have been all over the westindies...lived for extended periods in 2 islands besides Titty where I was born. I have been all over Canada and the USA.

by planetary measurements the weather is uniform across latitudinal lines but not longtitudinal. so if north america and england are in the same latitudes. the weather will be fairly uniform. if it is cold in canada/usa it is will be cold in england as well.

when it is winter in england it is winter also in north america...same for all the seasons. while their will be temperature variations over the lattitude seasonaly they are the same. tHEREFORE SPRING IN CANADA IS AS SPRING IS IN ENGLAND..COLD AND WET AND WINDY WITH INTERMITTENT WARM DAYS .

I haver lived in Canada for 40 years and I have never seen the warm weather come to stay earlier than may 19, victoria day. it has come later but never earlier. similarly with england I dont know the weather there warming up to stay before the last 10-12 days of may.

as a teast playing nation, westindies have toured england 3 times before 1940. and since then we have toured 1950 and 57, 1963, 1966, 1969, 1973, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 91 etc. it has been my good fortune to have met and talked with and been part of conversations with players such as Lance Gibbs, Wes Hall, Willie Rodriguez...Eldine Baptiste, Richie Richardson, Winston Benjamin, Curtley Ambrose and Viv Richards. english weather was always part of those talks. people always wanted to know how they coped, what its was like playing in the cold.

as an avid reader I followed all and every tour minutely and the weather patterns can be discerned from rerports even if they werent demarcated directly by the commentators. but I dont have to read the reports to know what the weather is like. I ddid not have to go to england to know what the cold is like. I know it well enough living in the lattitude so I have a point of reference when the westindies are caught in it and get beaten as a result.

white people are cold adapted..blac people are not. for the werstindies to have any chance in the cold weather the players must have been acclamated and better than the english. we have not been better recently so we have been beatn in the cold. for us to give of our best we must have warm weather especially when the teram is younger and not may have had english experience in cold weather playing cricket.


all I have said there is quite simple and well known. no big deal. but some posters want to make a big deal out of such things..about who knows the english weather, who have been to england and who not.

small-minded crap that results in no positive advance from conversation. when we learn nothing from what we do, do not even enjoy the experience it is a total waste of unpleasant time. i dont know why some would wallow in such behaviour, actually seek it out for no practical reason save to embassass and tick off another.

but thats what westindians do because they do not like each other..or when they do not like someone. they undermine, look for weaknesses, waste time talking nonsense, watching the hated one to see where they can attack.

I cant stand that kind of shiite anymore. it makes me sick, upsets my stomach. I simply will not involve myself in such nonsense anymore. away with such childishness. leave it to those who have migrated here from ends old board looking for a home. there are many places comfortable for that kind of crap. I hope this is not one of them

[BallOil]

school em Maps..

[DMan]

Maps sharing out more licks than an over-abusive parent.

[BallOil]

Googs...seee how much Maps traveled ? Tek note all the WI players Maps chatted with right

[Googley]

Googs...seee how much Maps traveled ? Tek note all the WI players Maps chatted with right

note the last name he put there...Viv Richards! After RIchards, Maps give up!

naw, seriously Maps is a well versed WI cricket historian...very few like him around these days.

And I am sure if he had a chance to chat with Nash, his views would have been different! After all, is Lara who invite the man!!

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Maps ,

I have been to England twice , the first time I spent 3 weeks in Weston Super Mare , which is in Somerset . I went around the 10 th . of August , from New York . I had to buy a sweater , because it was cold , at least to me . Weston Super Mare is near the Sea , and there were days , that the weather changed noticeably 5 times . The second time I went it was in August , and I stayed in London . The weather was ok .

Now I am on record stating in this Forum and another Forum , that The WICB should never agree to any schedule for Our Players playing most of their Matches in early Spring , in the Northern part of England , where the weather is very cold .

I have stated in this Forum , that the last time our Players toured England in early Spring , it was extremely cold . I recall Tony Cozier being very critical of our Players Fielding with their hands in their pockets because of the cold weather . I took umbrage to Cozier's criticism , because our Players unlike those who played professional Cricket in England , are unaccustomed to playing in cold weather . I remember also that was an unusually cold Spring in England that year .

On One occasion , our Players were playing a Test Match , when all the County Matches were cancelled because of the extremely cold weather . This aint something I made up it is a fact . Therefore when I consider these factors .; I believe that our Players will have an uphill task winning matches in England .

[mapoui]

yes! that what the weather is like in the nothern paralels. it makes no sense at all for the wicb to agree to early spring tours by the westindies.

sri lanka refused! India wont do it neither will Pak. I dont know if the english can twist Zims arm and force them to do it but I doubt it. maybe they can do that with Bang.

with the oreos at Factory Road all they english have to do is ask: "when yuh want us to come... in april? yuh sure yu doh want us to come in march we can come in march if yuh want?"

the westindies used to get to england by the second week in may, play the remainder of the month to aclimatise, and the tests would start in june.

the westindies do not have to accept what they english throw at us. the englsih do it because they know who runs westindies cricket and how they stop. they know those skunts would accept anything they are asked to do by the english

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Maps ,

Our Team has to go wherever the WICB decides it must go , because the WICB is cash strapped , it alone is now the sole Sponsor of the Regional Tournaments . If the ICC says that we have to play in Alaska , the WICB will send our Players there to play . Now if our Team was in the top five , the WICB possibly would have had some clout , but because our Team is lingering at or near the bottom of International Cricket , the WICB has neither influence or Clout .

[mapoui]

Maps ,

Our Team has to go wherever the WICB decides it must go , because the WICB is cash strapped , it alone is now the sole Sponsor of the Regional Tournaments . If the ICC says that we have to play in Alaska , the WICB will send our Players there to play . Now if our Team was in the top five , the WICB possibly would have had some clout , but because our Team is lingering at or near the bottom of International Cricket , the WICB has neither influence or Clout .

that is indeed the truth..fact. the wicb is broke, or has few resources. but the organising of westindies cricket, its costs and profits is done very poorly... and from a basis that is not independent or seeks independence

that westindies cricket can and shud pay for itself has never been a principle of the operation of the wicbc/wicb. they have always accepted a beggars role, a subservient role in the international game.

I once knew a very prominent westindian alas now dead, with with whom I had a serious falling out over this very idea.

he used to sit on the wicbc board and became palsy with stollmeyer. so when I argued strongly that westindies cricket can and must pay for itself it brought from him a strenous, angry attack on me...very strange from him for he was leftist and an independence first person.

it was around 1984-85 and the issue that initiated the argument was the wicbc admission that its policy since the mid-seventies of using the championship team to generate resources abraod was a failure...that the coffers were still empty, and the team was exhausted from all the trevelling.

so yu see what I mean..and what is inherent in what you describe given that that is apparently what the wicb is doing now...exactly what failed before with the old wicbc.

if yu cannot find a way to build your house on your own ground you will lose you house in time..just like for the players...when westindians found the ground shifting below our feet when the international oportunities for our players especially in england began to dry up.

luckily today the IPL and oher such opportunites are unlikely to dry up anytime soon but one can never tell.

westindies must fnd a way to make westindies cricket independent based on our own resources and so protect ourselves from international humiliation.

it is possible for westindies cricket to be independent. just look and you will see.

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Maps ,

I agree with what you have stated above , but as I have stated many times , the WICB dropped the ball , in the mid 1980's when it missed a Golden Opportunity to form in the Region ; a Regional Cricket League . In essence a Once in a Lifetime chance ; and the WICB Failed Our Players and the Region .

Our Players at that juncture had Worldwide Recognition and Prestige . It would have been therefore very easy for the WICB to get Financial Sponsors to start a Regional Pro or Semi Pro Cricket League .Unfortunately the WICB failed to grasp the significance of our Players playing Cricket in England , and the devastating effect , having our Players only playing Regional Cricket , when they are not representing the Region .

The first casualty of the WICB's shortsightedness , was the reduction of matches that our Players played at the Regional Level . Essentially the result of the WICB doing nothing to keep our Players skills honed in all aspects of the game , curtailed the number of first class matches they played , in comparison to Players on Teams ranked above our Team .

Worse yet , the lack of Vision and Foresight by the WICB in not seeking to have a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League , or even extend the duration of the Regional Tournaments in the 3 versions of the game ; since the mid 1980's has had the effect of reducing our Players Mental & Physical
Stamina , and also their ability to concentrate for long periods .

So for roughly 27 years and counting , our Players skills in these specific areas have been dulled , due to the fact that they are not Playing enough Cricket . I know of no other method that Players skills in these areas can be learned unless Our Players play more Cricket at the Regional Level ; due to the fact that that Players are not born with these skills , they have to be learned .

My opinion , is that not seeking to form a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League is absolutely the worst thing that any WICB Administration , has ever done or will ever do ; because the effects , of the WICB not forming a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League are still with us ; and will be for a long time to come .

This obviously is due to the fact that our Once great team is now a shadow of what it used to be . It is no longer the darling of the International Cricket World , so the ability to get financial Sponsors to form a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League has vanished . All this due to the WICB's lack of Foresight roughly 27 years ago and counting .

My take is that this failure by the WICB , roughly 27 years ago is enough grounds for the removal of the WICB from the governance of Cricket in the Region . Because WE are today , and in the Future ; still dealing with the colossal effects of this Blunder .

The end result is that our Players Mental and Physical Stamina , and their ability to concentrate for long periods ; I would readily agree that in the shorter versions of the Game ; these deficiencies may not be as important as in the longest version of the game where these specific aspects of the game are very important .

One only has to revisit the recently concluded Test Matches , vs Australia . Our Players lost that series because of the factors I have mentioned . It is generally unheard of that a Team can dominate a Test match for 3 out of 5 days and still lose the match . But that happened because our Players Mental & Physical Stamina and their ability to concentrate for long periods was below that of Australia . This from my perspective can be traced right back to the mid 1980's when the WICB did nothing to keep our Players skills honed in all aspects of the game when England decided to impose a Ban on all Overseas Players .