IPL benefits the cricketers by giving them more exposure against international players and help develop a friendly relation between players of different countries. But the hot issue right now is Country or IPL?
Like we all opt to work in other countries depending on the job prospects and financial benefits, should not cricketers be allowed to select their choice of workplace? Well, some players are deciding to skip their international commitments because of the domestic IPL, the reason could be any. KP, Malinga and Gayle come to mind. Likewise the boards will realize that if the cricketers prefer the domestic tournaments in other country over representing own country in international games, then their commitment has to be discussed and further course of action has to be taken. Yes, the number of players preferring IPL over international duties is very less but every player counts, more so if he is a KP,Gayle or Malinga. The boards will devise some change in clauses to central contracts to minimize such incidents.
If the cricketers have the freedom to choose who they work for, the board will have the freedom to choose who they recruit and who they think will give the best of their commitments in the future. When this will actually start happening, the FTP will be reconsidered and some much needed steps will be taken by other boards and the ICC.
IPL or country?
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Even Dilshan today came out and said "country before IPL".. and that's how he SHOULD be, but skunts like Bravo, Gayle and Pollard just want to line dem pockets and don't give a sh/t about WI 
, i really couldn't believe it when i heard Bravo was gonna miss the Tests to go and play IPL, what kind of foolishness is that? i know players have to earn a living but doing it when your country needs you is just plain wrong imo.
, i really couldn't believe it when i heard Bravo was gonna miss the Tests to go and play IPL, what kind of foolishness is that? i know players have to earn a living but doing it when your country needs you is just plain wrong imo.-
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All we can say is that the cricketers are showing their preferences. It's high time boards start showing their preferences too. It would be better if IPL is played once in two years. Maybe then some of these issues will be taken care of.AFRO wrote:Even Dilshan today came out and said "country before IPL".. and that's how he SHOULD be, but skunts like Bravo, Gayle and Pollard just want to line dem pockets and don't give a sh/t about WI
Dilshan is the captain now. He has to lead the team and he has to opt for country. No other options for a leader.
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I think we have to be realistic....
Poorer boards such as WICB and SLC can't afford to pay their players enough to compete with the riches of the IPL. England can offer their players competitive central contracts, while Pakistani players are not invited to the IPL.
Quite simply, the WICB and SLC are going to run into conflicts with their players if they take part in series that clash with the IPL. The SLC has already had to backtrack on their demand that players join a camp on May 5, and a new date of May 18 is being bandied about.
I feel that the WICB need to make sure they don't schedule series that clash with the IPL, to avoid future confrontations.
Poorer boards such as WICB and SLC can't afford to pay their players enough to compete with the riches of the IPL. England can offer their players competitive central contracts, while Pakistani players are not invited to the IPL.
Quite simply, the WICB and SLC are going to run into conflicts with their players if they take part in series that clash with the IPL. The SLC has already had to backtrack on their demand that players join a camp on May 5, and a new date of May 18 is being bandied about.
I feel that the WICB need to make sure they don't schedule series that clash with the IPL, to avoid future confrontations.
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sportbloggeradi
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MIke, i think WICB and SCB are still paying them enough. But then the players want a astronomical pay check and hence decide to move to IPL.mikesiva wrote:I think we have to be realistic....
Poorer boards such as WICB and SLC can't afford to pay their players enough to compete with the riches of the IPL. England can offer their players competitive central contracts, while Pakistani players are not invited to the IPL.
Quite simply, the WICB and SLC are going to run into conflicts with their players if they take part in series that clash with the IPL. The SLC has already had to backtrack on their demand that players join a camp on May 5, and a new date of May 18 is being bandied about.
I feel that the WICB need to make sure they don't schedule series that clash with the IPL, to avoid future confrontations.
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But who are we to say how much these players should be allowed to earn?
Gayle, for example, has two family members with heart problems, who have to be treated at great expense at a private hospital in Florida. Are we right to say he should not try to earn the money he needs to give them the best possible care for their life-threatening illnesses?
The SLC have now backed Malinga into a corner, and forced him to announce his retirement from Test cricket....
If the WICB and SLC continue to try to fight the IPL, and the lure of the millions in the IPL, then they're fighting a losing battle. It's time the WICB and SLC tried to work around the IPL, and stopped scheduling series, or taking part in series, that clash with the IPL....
Gayle, for example, has two family members with heart problems, who have to be treated at great expense at a private hospital in Florida. Are we right to say he should not try to earn the money he needs to give them the best possible care for their life-threatening illnesses?
The SLC have now backed Malinga into a corner, and forced him to announce his retirement from Test cricket....
If the WICB and SLC continue to try to fight the IPL, and the lure of the millions in the IPL, then they're fighting a losing battle. It's time the WICB and SLC tried to work around the IPL, and stopped scheduling series, or taking part in series, that clash with the IPL....
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I doh understand..labout negotiations and bargaining has become an accepted part of the business process. it is how labour has come to protect its interest against management.
the history of this development is well known. there is a whole body of english literature that deals with the conditions of labour in the development of capitalism all the way through, that exposes the need for labour organisation and balance.. in the facotory, office and now the sports field.
we know what used to happen in cricket before the rise of cricket unions and competitive options like Packer and IPL. in fact our most famous cricket son Frank Worrell rose to international prominence not only by his great batting, but by his refusal to accept what he thought to be insulting wages paid by the then wicbc!
it is crucial in the equation that labour seeks out its best advantage. doing so is simply a factor of the subjectivity that we all live by, must live by for it is asbsolutely natural, the way we are born, the way life is..subjective, the I...that is how nature made us and if we abandon it we lose ourslves.
it is first the I...then possibly action in the ineterst of the nation from which one comes. possibly because nutten..absoutely nutten... must be accepted and done uncritically less one finds oneself doing for the supposed nation, under its demand, the same self-destrutive skuntery that your boss, in whatever you do..asks you to do for the good of the company, now the nation but.... but not good at all for you.
if the nation is 'good'..looking after its people, citizens, then one may sacrifice for the nation within equal measure and sanity. but if the nation is a user, giving little or nothing to its citizens, a full participant in, and facilitaor in the exploitation of the people, then citizen non-compliance, especially when they have options outside, is quite right and normal. one would be exercising ones normal and natural subectivity by taking care of oneself setting up a life for oneself.
the nation is then in a competitive situation for the services of the citizen who now has a better opportunity than what is provided at home. the nation adjusts itself or loses out.
its as simple as that in the westinidan equation...the westindies, not wat any sane person can call a nation, looking after its people. that is not the case at all!
the history of this development is well known. there is a whole body of english literature that deals with the conditions of labour in the development of capitalism all the way through, that exposes the need for labour organisation and balance.. in the facotory, office and now the sports field.
we know what used to happen in cricket before the rise of cricket unions and competitive options like Packer and IPL. in fact our most famous cricket son Frank Worrell rose to international prominence not only by his great batting, but by his refusal to accept what he thought to be insulting wages paid by the then wicbc!
it is crucial in the equation that labour seeks out its best advantage. doing so is simply a factor of the subjectivity that we all live by, must live by for it is asbsolutely natural, the way we are born, the way life is..subjective, the I...that is how nature made us and if we abandon it we lose ourslves.
it is first the I...then possibly action in the ineterst of the nation from which one comes. possibly because nutten..absoutely nutten... must be accepted and done uncritically less one finds oneself doing for the supposed nation, under its demand, the same self-destrutive skuntery that your boss, in whatever you do..asks you to do for the good of the company, now the nation but.... but not good at all for you.
if the nation is 'good'..looking after its people, citizens, then one may sacrifice for the nation within equal measure and sanity. but if the nation is a user, giving little or nothing to its citizens, a full participant in, and facilitaor in the exploitation of the people, then citizen non-compliance, especially when they have options outside, is quite right and normal. one would be exercising ones normal and natural subectivity by taking care of oneself setting up a life for oneself.
the nation is then in a competitive situation for the services of the citizen who now has a better opportunity than what is provided at home. the nation adjusts itself or loses out.
its as simple as that in the westinidan equation...the westindies, not wat any sane person can call a nation, looking after its people. that is not the case at all!
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if there is no symbiotic relationship between citizen and nation indeed there is no nation and no citizenship. there is nothing in here worth personal sacrifice by anyone only total, gross and unbridled self interest. indeed it would be subjectivity gone mad, run amok...absolute survival of the fittest
dats how I see it in the westindies. a brutal elite with a big voice afforded it by ownership of the media can force ordinary and individual members of the society ( not citizens for there is no citizenry in the westindies) like the cricketers to act against their best interest by shouting nationalism from the rafters.
the cricketers cannot help but see the society for what it is unless they are stupid and are caught betwen need to make a living, the power of the establishment and what is nonsense n the case of the westindies...the nation.
the nation can only make sense for the ordinary cricketer if he sees it from the bottom up, the people form among whiom he came, their collective interest which he may address to whatever extent he can by builidng among them as he makes a decent cricket living. sch building may mean a business and a few jobs spread around as he sets himself up locally.
but the ordianry folk are not a sophisticated bunch willing and able to carry out its best interest by changing the society into a nation...a real symbiotic nation.
and unless the nation is a real one, working for those who would then be citizens there is no point to sacrifice for it, such sacrifice would be profitable only for the wicb, an institution thsat cares not for the people but looks after only the interest of elite westindians as it pertains to cricket.
if the player wants to help locally in the process of building up his own life then as much money as he can make helps the sitaution far better. so half a million, a million, is far more usefull for the player and the people out of whom he came, than the thousands the wicb pays.
if Pollard returns to his people with 10 millions us dollars after a career of few years that would be 60 million titty sdollars with which he could do something to help his people develop work and properity, in the process of taking care of his own life
dats how I see it in the westindies. a brutal elite with a big voice afforded it by ownership of the media can force ordinary and individual members of the society ( not citizens for there is no citizenry in the westindies) like the cricketers to act against their best interest by shouting nationalism from the rafters.
the cricketers cannot help but see the society for what it is unless they are stupid and are caught betwen need to make a living, the power of the establishment and what is nonsense n the case of the westindies...the nation.
the nation can only make sense for the ordinary cricketer if he sees it from the bottom up, the people form among whiom he came, their collective interest which he may address to whatever extent he can by builidng among them as he makes a decent cricket living. sch building may mean a business and a few jobs spread around as he sets himself up locally.
but the ordianry folk are not a sophisticated bunch willing and able to carry out its best interest by changing the society into a nation...a real symbiotic nation.
and unless the nation is a real one, working for those who would then be citizens there is no point to sacrifice for it, such sacrifice would be profitable only for the wicb, an institution thsat cares not for the people but looks after only the interest of elite westindians as it pertains to cricket.
if the player wants to help locally in the process of building up his own life then as much money as he can make helps the sitaution far better. so half a million, a million, is far more usefull for the player and the people out of whom he came, than the thousands the wicb pays.
if Pollard returns to his people with 10 millions us dollars after a career of few years that would be 60 million titty sdollars with which he could do something to help his people develop work and properity, in the process of taking care of his own life
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Isn't it ironic how sanctimonious cricketers like Adam Gilchrist and Ian Harvey sound, when they pontificate about how playing for your country must come before the IPL?
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There are more Aussies playing in the IPL than any other country. Also, Australia's international schedule never, ever clashes with the IPL. They don't play cricket in April and May. In addition, Aussie cricketers are paid a helluva lot more than WI and SL cricketers, so it's like comparing apples and oranges....
Personally, I would prefer to see Gayle, Pollard and Bravo turning out in WI colours, but maps has a point. Who am I to say that this trio shouldn't seek to earn as much money as possible from their skills?
This is an excellent article by Sanjay Manjrekar, who argues the points so much better than I have....
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/co ... 12108.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 061854.cms" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are more Aussies playing in the IPL than any other country. Also, Australia's international schedule never, ever clashes with the IPL. They don't play cricket in April and May. In addition, Aussie cricketers are paid a helluva lot more than WI and SL cricketers, so it's like comparing apples and oranges....
Personally, I would prefer to see Gayle, Pollard and Bravo turning out in WI colours, but maps has a point. Who am I to say that this trio shouldn't seek to earn as much money as possible from their skills?
This is an excellent article by Sanjay Manjrekar, who argues the points so much better than I have....
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/co ... 12108.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;