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jala
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and WICB...
You may think that I am crazy. Join the club. On principle, I agree with West Indies Cricket Board Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Ernest Hiliare, who suggested; “no man is bigger than the game.” Very true!
While many might still have tremendous acknowledgements in West Indies cricket folklore, George Headley, Brian Lara, Viv Richards, Malcolm Marshall, Frank Worrell, Wes Hall, Clyde Walcott, just a few of the more illustrious cricketers produced here, are no longer playing. Some are even dead!
Yet, that glorious game that West Indies entered back in 1928 still continues on. The man is correct!
One wonders, though, what will happen to cricket, especially pertaining to West Indies, even as players of much lesser ability, and no real grounding in the game, or its history, take positions. Good cricket is not dead, not after ICC CWC 2011, as it seems far out of reach of our futile efforts here in the Caribbean.
As the saying goes; “before you make plans to go forward, you must know where you have come from!” Given the utterances flying back and forth over the last few weeks, most seem not to know that at all!
The first time that I heard that comment from a WICB person was from Jeffrey Stollmeyer, former West Indies captain, and, from 1974, WICB President. He uttered those words, in 1977, when most of West Indies team had signed up for World Series Cricket – Kerry Packer’s cricket – and were promptly banned!
But, Aretha is known mostly for her 1967 mega No. 1 hit “R-E-S-P-E-C-T”. That is now a world anthem!
Another great hit, “Only the strong survive” was originally done, in 1968, by another soul singer, Jerry Butler, and was made even more popular, and forever prudent, by both Elvis Presley and Billy Paul.
Without real respect, both given and received, regardless of the entity, atmosphere, environment or industry, only the very strong will survive. That is why so much of what is revered in West Indies cricket is dying, or has already died. There is no respect for our game, not from authorities, or from players!
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mapoui
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These incumbents cannot respect West Indies cricket enough to continue this consistent tripe!
The most disappointing aspect so far in our 2011 international season has been the press, commentators and coverage. Am I seeing the same games that they have been seeing?
To date, no-one has suggested that the cricket is so very desperately damned poor. Everyone just seems to want to be ‘politically correct’, saying whatever they think that the people in authority, or sponsorship, want to hear, hoping that it would change something. Fantasy does not change facts!
Without the respect for, and knowledge of, our cricket and its legacy, only few will be strong survivors!
Enjoy!

bureaucracy/careerism, elitism.... are killing westindies cricket. taht is what is at the bottom of all this!
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What about is?
Let us take the stalwart players identified in the she-bang that has hit the fan in West Indies recently. For their efforts alone, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Chris Gayle and Ramnaresh Sarwan deserve much greater respect from all involved in West Indies cricket. They too have done their best representing us.
Chris Gayle – 91 Tests: (batting) 6373 runs – h/s 333 – avg. 41.65; (bowling) 72 wickets; 228 ODI’s: (batting) 8087 runs – h/s 153 no – avg. 39.06; (bowling) 156 wickets.
Shivnarine Chanderpaul – 129 Tests: (batting) 9063 runs, h/s 203 no, avg. 48.98; 268 ODI’s, 8778 runs, h/s 150, average 41.60.
Ramnaresh Sarwan – 83 Tests: (batting) 5759 runs – h/s 291, avg. 41.73; (bowling) 23 wickets. 166 ODI’s: (batting) 5400 runs – h/s 155 no, avg. 43.20; (bowling) 16 wickets.
With these statistics, these three should get better treatment than they have had. Not only have they endured a torrid time, almost always in a losing combination since joining the team, but they have improved well enough over time to be our best present day cricketers. They deserve much better!

While I would also agree with Dr. Hilaire that even with their input, West Indies has been losing very regularly, it is not the fault of Chanderpaul, Gayle and Sarwan, given the numbers above, that we have lost so often. No man is an island, and also, no cricket team can be made up of only three players!
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While I would also agree with Dr. Hilaire that even with their input, West Indies has been losing very regularly, it is not the fault of Chanderpaul, Gayle and Sarwan, given the numbers above, that we have lost so often. No man is an island, and also, no cricket team can be made up of only three players!
that is true! but then whose fault is it?

it is of course an administrative fault, cause, responsibility. but a definitive fact or careerism is that in its patholgy it naver takes blame, is never accounatble, will not hold itself in place as where the buck stops.

careerism is about climbing the ladder, never leadership as a function of public service, acompnaied by any serious appreciation of the principles talked about all the time...loyalty, responsibility, nationalism etc. care only about ambnition and outcomes suitable to the individual no matter the devastation caused by their climb.

the only outcome that is important is the achievement of the career, of the goal originally set, the medals, honours and citations won, the positions accumulated....

thats Hunte and Hilaire, Buttsy, Gibbo...all flocking around factory road now. its the same thing n all spheres of social activity...empty careerism. in cricket Buttsy exemplifies the type...Hilaire too.

and see how they propagate their type as they hire at factory Rd only those like them, their own type, who will carry on afer they move on and up
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Spot on Maps...:)
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