CARLTON BAUGH: Worthwhile Replacement For Ramdin ?

[AFRO]

you rite, higher standards expected from Shiv!

Yeah "standards" he's FAILED to live up to for over a year and a half!! .

[mapoui]

an oppositional intekllectual frame of mind as total as yours appears to be AFRO, is not good at all. I never said or implied anything your response indicates. I ruled out no one because of age, never implied dat a Taibu type impossible anywhere, including the westindies.

I establhised a noticeable and important international trend over the century and more of test cricket, and applied it to westindian cricket almost 85 years of cricket history now.

my point is proven, despite your response, which does not make a whole lot of sense given the actual expeience we have had. and if we do not proceed on experience wat do we proceed on..guesswork?
I did not know ramdin played as many as 42 tests. dat amount does not work in his favour. Baugh at 29 is doins his best work. he is playing at his best level, keeping quite well but not up to international standard with the bat. its looks hard for ramdin to get back in..not now for sure.

I wud not consider the kids at all. I dont know how old Corbin is but he is the one I favour out of all the potentials. but in any consdieration of keeprs the age factor is solid and cannot be ignored. that is just the way it has worked and keeps working out. buck it at your peril!

[mapoui]

it never dawned on me that ramdin had played so many tests...42! why is dat? ramdin is still only 25 isnt he? am I getting senile or wat? time passing and I am missing it?

this is all the more reason why Simmons ought to be pointed to the keeping. Baugh is 29 and we are seeing his best and his batting is way out of it..a liability.

so deh ought to try another Dujon type tactic and see how it works. it may not be necessary to insert Simmons immediately but certainly in the interim simmons shud be told that he will be tried as keeper, to go out and improve his skills now

[AFRO]

an oppositional intekllectual frame of mind as total as yours appears to be AFRO, is not good at all. I never said or implied anything your response indicates. I ruled out no one because of age, never implied dat a Taibu type impossible anywhere, including the westindies.

"You ruled out no-one because of age"? well what the feck is this then?...

age rules out all the young keepers in my book. I will pik none of them until they are seasoned, 25 and beyoond..unless we have an emergency situation.

SO I'D ADVISE YOU TO READ YOUR OWN POSTS BEFORE YOU MAKE FRIVOLOUS STATEMENTS!! ,

I establhised a noticeable and important international trend over the century and more of test cricket, and applied it to westindian cricket almost 85 years of cricket history now.

my point is proven, despite your response, which does not make a whole lot of sense given the actual expeience we have had. and if we do not proceed on experience wat do we proceed on..guesswork?

What "international trend"? Dhoni made his debut aged 23 for India, Mark Boucher made his debut aged 20 for South Africa, Jayawardene made his debut aged 20 for Sri Lanka, McCullum made his debut aged 22 for NZ, ALL OF THEM ARE TOP QUALITY WICKETKEEPERS AND ARE STILL PLAYING TODAY, so your little theory that keepers "don't come through early" is a total load of CRAP,

I did not know ramdin played as many as 42 tests. dat amount does not work in his favour. Baugh at 29 is doins his best work. he is playing at his best level, keeping quite well but not up to international standard with the bat. its looks hard for ramdin to get back in..not now for sure.

Ramdin is brilliant with the gloves but his batting declined dramatically which is why he was dropped, Baugh's glove work has improved but again his batting his garbage and i don't believe he is good enough to take us forward,

I wud not consider the kids at all. I dont know how old Corbin is but he is the one I favour out of all the potentials. but in any consdieration of keeprs the age factor is solid and cannot be ignored. that is just the way it has worked and keeps working out. buck it at your peril!

Well the age factor CAN be ignored because i just debunked it above but as for Corbin!!..well the yute is very talented with the bat and is decent with the gloves too, he's already with the HPC and i hope to see him play for the A-team shortly, if he does well again then i believe he will be very close to making his senior debut.

[mapoui]

Well the age factor CAN be ignored because i just debunked it above but as for Corbin!!..

wat yu debunked?

yuh debuncked nothing. just because you disagree with wat i said does not mean you proved anything to the contrary.
I established a case and you responded with nothing of note..just a subjecive disagreement. all dat si is your opinion nutten more.

who are the top rated westindian keeper... Hendricks, Dujon, Alexander, Ridley jacobs, Deryck Murray, daid Murray. why dot you check out their average ages when the rerally becagn to keep as wuality keepers..when they were included in the westindied teams etc.

then there are the others...Findlay, desmond lewis, Junior Murray, David Williams, courtney brown...those you might know.

but wat about clairmont Depeiza, Clifford McWatt, clyde walcott, simpson guillen, patrick legall, ivan barrow..wat were their ages when they were included?

go to Oz and trell me about Wally Grout, Ian healy, gilchrist, the great one for Ian and greg chappels team....I cant quite recall his name...Rod Marsh dats it!

go to the english and see the same story, Evans, keith andrew, allan knott, J m Parks, Roy , downton...

yu see the same pattern all the way through..keepers starting mid-twenties or later and going on...early starters failing.

the general idea is dat matyriuty is the prolem or the key with keepers. ask any expert and deh will tell you the same thing. so wat the hell did yu debunk. nuten dats wat

[jala]

carlton baugh to de wurllllll!!!!!!!!!!

[AFRO]

LOL you still flogging your dead horse Map?

I DID DEBUNK YOUR MISLEADING THEORY BECAUSE I PROVIDED THE EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS MOST OF THE TOP WICKETKEEPERS AROUND TODAY MADE THEIR DEBUTS AT A YOUNG AGE, if you can't comprehend that then that's your problem, not mine,

Furthermore your attempt to go way back in history IS FUTILE IN THE EXTREME, the game HAS CHANGED NOW, so please stop living in the past and get with reality, if a young keeper puts in top performances in domestic cricket he should be considered like any other player, excluding a keeper due to age is ridiculous, especially if someone like Ramdin and Baugh are failing time and time again for WI.

[jala]

LOL you still flogging your dead horse Map?

I DID DEBUNK YOUR MISLEADING THEORY BECAUSE I PROVIDED THE EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTS MOST OF THE TOP WICKETKEEPERS AROUND TODAY MADE THEIR DEBUTS AT A YOUNG AGE, if you can't comprehend that then that's your problem, not mine,

Furthermore your attempt to go way back in history IS FUTILE IN THE EXTREME, the game HAS CHANGED NOW, so please stop living in the past and get with reality, if a young keeper puts in top performances in domestic cricket he should be considered like any other player, excluding a keeper due to age is ridiculous, especially if someone like Ramdin and Baugh are failing time and time again for WI.

baugh gon give dem heartburn!

[The Black Prince]

I made the right call----Baugh must be persisted with.

Ramdin was given 42 tests---and he failed miserably.

Baugh was also failing with the bat----but his 46* saved the WI in Barbados.

NO MORE TALK ABOUT RAMDIN----Baugh has earned an extended run.

[mapoui]

AFRO

KEEPERS MATURE LATE. THATS A PRINCIPLE OF THE GAME i HAVE PROVEN...IS PROVEN.

ASK AN EXPERT. SOME RESIDE ON MISINFOR AND ARE THERE TO ANSWER JUST SUCH QUESTIONS.

YOU ARGUMENT/ANSWER IS SHORTSIGHTED AND IDIOTIC, NOT CONSISITENT WIH ANY ANALTICAL APPROACH i KNOW OF.

to prove my point since the retirement of Ridley jacobs westindies have had great trouble with young keepers. none have been satisfactory in an allround sense. if Baugh now comes into his own he is 29 anow, and never demonstrated any consisteny in the past what infront or behind the stumps .
he has been consitent behind the stumps for the first time in his career since Pak. and now his batting has been halway decent in this eries with a few twenties and now a very good 40+ no.

if dat is not due to his growth and maturity, wat den is it due to?


the records are there..the keepers who have done well a the top level of the game, generally ascended to the top 25+.

put dat in yuh hat and smoke it. yu doh know jack about the the history of the game and you dismiss that history with your inane the 'game has changed.' idiotic! change is the nature of things but how...

name 5 keepers who have been successful over the last 20 years in international cfricket who got to that postion in their teams below the age of 25