IPL or country?

[mapoui]

if a country is looking after its people, even moderately..but they are strapped, not very rich, there are all kinds of things that can be done to take care of people, of the national representatives.

it may not be at the level of the richer countries but the love at home and the fact that whatever the country has will be used to look after people

in such conditions the peoples' love for the country can become unlimited. they sacrifice for their country easily in the full knoweldge they are contributing to its development and their efforts are fully appreciated.

it would be like the Cubans who refuse to leave their country when they excel abroad. like Juanterena so long ago who sang the praise of his nation and his leaders while running all over the Olympic games

[mapoui]

I believe the IPL should be given a special window in the ICC cricket calendar for just one reason and one reason only: because the players benefit from it greatly.

Sanjay Manjrekar the son of a great cricketer has been a sound journalistic voice in cricket. he asks for a very reasonable window for the IPL, for the players but I am certain Sanjay is simply inserting that idea to place it on the agenda, to get it in to the minds of people and hope that it takes-off.

but any such impetus will have to come from the players themselves..not the IPL, IC or the boards... which are all rich mens' clubs. the players make more money than ever in IPL but they have nothing to do with running the show.

Sanjay hit the nail on the head, susses out the essence of the relationship of players to management in international cricket. players are workers who must be obedient to the powers in the game or face the consequences.

and all the bosses are determined to keep this basic relationship in place

[mapoui]

Manjrekar puts to sleep certain attitudes on this MB towards the players. I hope those who shud know demselves doh werk fuh anybody..dat deh employ demselves. or deh rich an' doh need to do no wuk fuh bosses

di'ze de only way deh cyan avoid the experience the players go through as werkers.

who knows wat deal Dilshan make with the Sl authorities to cause him to make his choice? who knows altogether the circumstances of his decision?

but we do know the conditions of working class people the world over no matter how much money deh make. there is still the boss and one can be sure, even in the case of american player millionaires the boss is still in charge and tosses crap the players way as a matter of course.

if dat wasnt the case there wud be no strikes!

[mikesiva]

Some very good points there, maps....

Let me see if I get you correctly. Are you saying it's up to the WI and SL players to tell their respective boards to stop scheduling international series that clash with the IPL?

[howzdat]

Given that the existence of 'international cricket series' pre-dated the IPL shouldn't any 'compromise' on the question of re-scheduling be addressed to the organisers of the IPL tournament and not the respective international cricketing boards? While a lot of folk seem to think that the IPL is the best thing since sliced bread - I passionately disagree. In my opinion 20/20 presents a sporting format that has greater appeal to the excitable masses than it does for the 'real die-hard' cricket fan. It is like a 'fast food' franchise - you can eat your fill but long term you will not derive any real nourishment.

[mapoui]

Some very good points there, maps....

Let me see if I get you correctly. Are you saying it's up to the WI and SL players to tell their respective boards to stop scheduling international series that clash with the IPL?

it seems more between the boards and their players..than the boards and the IPL... as a result of player activity.

the players wish to max out their earning potential in their 20 year max career if they are lucky to last that long. so they chose the IPL over their national teams where their national activity concides with IPL.

if that happens often enuff then the national boards have a real problem as we all can see. yet they are 'responsible' for their nations cricket! wat do they do then?

it can turn into a war in nations like it has morphed in the westindies.

Player pressure can affect the situation by refusing to play for their boards and then fight strenuously the efforts of their broads at retaliation, in the courts and by player union activity.

they wud tell the baords nothing about schdeduling or rescheduling. the boards would have to know that and get about it if they hope to save their control

Manjreka at the top is suggesting a way out from the top down...by the boards and the IPL themselves working out an acomadation that would not lead to permanent war

[mr. cricket]

no south african new zealander austrlian english cricketer play for ipl if his country needed him...you all know than even sri lankan cricketers will play for sri lanka its only WI who have this problem every year...why dont they solve it once and for all....

[mapoui]

player pressure manifets itself at the bottom by players simply choosing to max out their earnings in their playing time of their careers. there is nothing wrong with that. that is their human right...to try and ensure their future, for whch they and they alone are reponsible in a competitive reality.

the boards have only calls to loyalty and nationalism on their side, as well as temporarily executive power to penalise players who do not do respond to the call to 'national duty' by heir boards...a power that can be lifted by legal decision when the players challenge them in courts of law

I argue that that calls to national duty are spurrious and disengenous calls, for the boards in the cricket nations are anything but national, and function entirely in elitist interests...have little concern for the interest of the players they are supposed to represent.

in the situation I suggested the opposite... that if the cricket nations were truly nationalist, that in such a situaion the players may heed the call to national duty, and play for the nation as opposed to calls like the IPL. that forgoing all the loot the IPL offers would be easy for such players, for their nations are theirs and they belong to it.

that not being the case, we are in for a protracted war between players and the boards that do not offer the players what they deserve in face-of with IPL earnings. the players by their pressure on their individual boards can force scheduling changes ultimarely..by their boads losing out in that war..which according to international law and individual human right the boads are bound to lose

Manjrekar..in summing up the rights of the players, explaining their case seems to be suggesting to the big bwoys that before the sitaution ripens into something they do not want... to voluntarily reorganise scheduling so no classhes are maintained that ultimately smashes international cricket as we have know it.

[mapoui]

no south african new zealander austrlian english cricketer play for ipl if his country needed him...you all know than even sri lankan cricketers will play for sri lanka its only WI who have this problem every year...why dont they solve it once and for all....

if it was only a westindian centred issue why would Manjrekar write of it as he has?

[mikesiva]

Given that the existence of 'international cricket series' pre-dated the IPL shouldn't any 'compromise' on the question of re-scheduling be addressed to the organisers of the IPL tournament and not the respective international cricketing boards? While a lot of folk seem to think that the IPL is the best thing since sliced bread - I passionately disagree. In my opinion 20/20 presents a sporting format that has greater appeal to the excitable masses than it does for the 'real die-hard' cricket fan. It is like a 'fast food' franchise - you can eat your fill but long term you will not derive any real nourishment.

But just because one format is older doesn't mean it should take precedence. It's all about who has the most money, unfortunately, and in that battle, there will be only one winner - the IPL.

I tend to agree with maps - Manjrekar is offering a way out for the WICB and the WI players, a solution that can limit the conflict that is arising from their playing in the IPL....

Look at it this way - the WICB decides that in future, they will no longer take part in any series that leads to clashes with the IPL. Isn't that a win-win situation?

But is that true, mr cricket? Sri Lanka have driven Malinga into retiring from Test cricket by demanding that he return from the IPL to do a fitness test. And the SL players have decided to skip one of only two warmup matches in the tour of England in order to maximise their time in the IPL. That tells me that SL players value the IPL more than a tour of England....