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I apologise for having misunderstood you. Regards
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I honestly think Roach has broken down and that Rampaul would be better in the longer version of the game. As for Captain, Ganga has been the best captain for a long time but has not been given the chance. WICB still wont. Look elsewhere, sorry.
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hdresden wrote:I honestly think Roach has broken down and that Rampaul would be better in the longer version of the game. As for Captain, Ganga has been the best captain for a long time but has not been given the chance. WICB still wont. Look elsewhere, sorry.
I don't know about that....

When Sarwan got injured, Ganga captained the WIndies side in England for the Tests, and he was criticised by the commentators for being too negative. Then, when Gayle took over the captaincy for the ODIs, the Windies won the ODI series with some aggressive captaincy for which he was praised, especially by English commies.

How times have changed....
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mikesiva wrote:
hdresden wrote:I honestly think Roach has broken down and that Rampaul would be better in the longer version of the game. As for Captain, Ganga has been the best captain for a long time but has not been given the chance. WICB still wont. Look elsewhere, sorry.
I don't know about that....

When Sarwan got injured, Ganga captained the WIndies side in England for the Tests, and he was criticised by the commentators for being too negative. Then, when Gayle took over the captaincy for the ODIs, the Windies won the ODI series with some aggressive captaincy for which he was praised, especially by English commies.

How times have changed....
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did Ganga develop over the years as a captain..improve? we have a record we can examine!

we also have a record of Gayles development from the point when he took over to when he was removed. we can look at the in comparison too
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Ganga must first earn a place in the team as a player....
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Googley wrote:Ganga must first earn a place in the team as a player....
Just like Sammy has? :oops:

I have written elsewhere on the matter of Darren Ganga for captaincy of the team - primarily on the strength of his proven track record as a leader.

Just listened to the Chris Gayle interview during which he spoke about Sammy as captain. Much as I myself suspected, he said that the inclusion of Sammy (an unproven and underperforming all-rounder) in the team is a point of contention for the other all-rounders. Would that be Dwayne Bravo and Pollard?

Chris also responded to a question about whether he himself would accept if offered the role again. Personally, I don't think that as a captain Gayle would handle Bishoo effectively - unless Bishoo 'becomes a Shane Warne overnight' and is able to almost 'dictate' when he bowls and the fields he bowls to. Too many batsmen nowadays think that spinners are just there for the taking.

WI still have leadership problems!
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bringing in Ganga would continue the saga of WI leadership problem.

If your response is "just like Sammy has" then what are we gaining by bringing Ganga? nothing really! In the few WI games both Sars and Ganga has captained I see no advantage of Ganga over Sars. In fact, I would go so far to say that in the few gams guyana has played TnT with with chaps at the helm of their respective teams, Sars has the edge in leadership.

So all that being said, why not give Sars the captaincy? He is a leading batsman in the WI team, despite the stupidness being carried out by the current administration!
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if howzdat argued for ganga on ability and performance he wud have a solid argument.

the stats prove that Ganga has scored test runs against better bowling than the Pks have to offer this time around.

the stats also prove that Ganga is worth at the very least consideration on his dung heap record.

there is also the fact of maturioty to consider..that with age Ganga may be better than he was earlier and can give a staedy account of himself now at the test level.

and about his leadership skills here is little doubt. if as captain Ganga was negative in the past that approach can always be modified..and as always with the capable deh do see wats going orn and change with the need to change
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mapoui wrote:if howzdat argued for ganga on ability and performance he wud have a solid argument.
Yes, I was arguing on performance as captain of TT and the promise he showed during his time in the team. I know he suffered a slump in form, hence he got dropped from the team. But in my opinion anybody who can score 2 centuries against Australia MUST know how to bat.

In his test career he has 12 scores over 50 including 3 centuries. In one day internationals he has 9 scores over 50. Looking at Ganga's stats I notice that he has scored runs against the sub-continent teams which would indicate that he can play spin bowling. mapoui has mentioned a number of other considerations for trying Ganga as captain that i agree with.

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Sars may well be the leading batsman in the current team but if he plays i think he needs to be left alone to focus on finally realising the undoubted batting potential that he has. Maybe as one of the more experienced players in the team he can finally start to deliver consistently.

I would not give the captaincy to any of the younger batsman - i fear it would be a kiss of death on their careers.

Everything is relative ... and everyone has their own opinion but for all that Sarwan looks good at the crease he just hasn't delivered as consistently and dominantly as one would have hoped.
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I see England have gone down the route of three captains for three different formats - Strauss (Tests), Cook (ODIs), and Broad (20/20s). I think this is something we should consider, to rescue us from the curse of being saddled with a captain who only earns his place in one of the three formats....
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