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I am not comparing him to Dravid. I asking him to follow Dravids' example. I am asking him to follow Richie Ricghardson, sobers examples.

Well YOU ARE comparing Darren to Dravid because you're expecting Darren to automatically do something Dravid has LEARNED through out his WHOLE CAREER, the man is 38 years old now, do you think he was batting like this aged 22? I DON'T THINK SO,

I am saying that Dravid wud never have got himself out in any circumstance at all, the way lil Bravo got out this time. Dravid did not do that as a young batsman and most certainly will not do it now. you had to get him out. he wud not get himself out.

RUBBISH!!.. Bishoo got him easily in the first innings when Dravid played a lazy shot while on 40 runs and incase you forgot SAMMY DROPPED ONE OF THE EASIEST CATCHES YOU'LL EVER SEE off of Dravid whilst he was only on SIX RUNS, so don't act like Dravid doesn't make mistakes too because he did and HE GOT LUCKY,

Richie Richardson failed miserably in english conditions. he could do nothing at all with spin, his weakness against test spin palpable. by the middle of his career Richardson had mastered both.

Yes he had weak points and if he was around today you'd be running him down like you're running down Darren now!! , but what did Richie do? HE LEARNED FROM HIS MISTAKES, and that's exactly what i expect Darren to do, his problem isn't really a technical issue, it's a matter of concentration and with each game he plays i'm sure that will improve,

Expecting Darren to be batting like Chanders right now is simply unrealistic imo, quite frankly even at the level he's at now we're lucky to have him because like i said before apart from Barath there is not many 22 year old batsmen in world cricket that are on his level.

yu have not read all I have said.

I covered all those points you have raised carefully and more completely than you have responded or questioned my position.

go read again. or ask the others who have read what i have said here?

look carefully at bravo man. it is a very simple thing I said for Bravo to put his head down and try to score.

it is natural for a man to look at a straight-forward situation and seeing it for what it is work it out and gon on. dats is wat I am pointing out with Bravo.

if I am wrong I am wrong but I dont hate Bravo. I see he has a lot of natural ability and dats ia ll he is going on. it wont work for too much longer. deh have already wroked him out as a batsman. if he does not use his head he is toast.

all dat i am saying.

I am not tunning down likl Bravo. do yu think lil Bravo is perfect, dat all he has to do is wait and time will realise a great batsman in him?

ok! lets wait!

as for dravid.. he had not palyed cricket in some time. he is 38 years old. he was bound to be rusty and the rust showed in his first innings out. den again in is second innigs chance. but look what happend afterward.

Dravid fough all that was against hin and won..age, rust, tirednes, focus ..watever he fought and scored a hundered after he was dropped.

wat does it take to do that?

that is smarts and determination, strenght of character, determination not to lose.

I am saying wat on earth stops lil Bravo from seeing the condtion of the match and responding likewise? is he too young to be so smart, so determined, so courageous..especially whe he has a whole tradition behind him?

are you agree-ing, or establishing... that Bravo is inferior to Dravid, that bravo cannot see NOW, what it took to get Dravid where he is and go him one better?

you are saying that in all the knowledge dat bravo needs to have, AVAILABle TO HIM NOW, FREELY, OPENLY, THERE IN FRONT OF HIM, that he cant learn now and apply and do what must be done to raise himself up and over..taking us along with him?

nonsense! i see bravo as a bright yong man capable of thoe mental exercises, capable of winning that game for the westindies.

and in hindsight we may now propse that wiing that game was up to him for it appears that shive cud not do it ...and sknash certainly was'nt anywhere capble of even contributing.

so it was up to the young man to win the game and buid his reuptation.

now after dat game, that innings and getting bowled down, how has it affected lil Bravos rep?

do fans think better or worse of lil Bravo now after dat failure? and if deh feel worse wat are the words they are putting to it...something like what I say or wat then?

I am a trini and I see the same thing with simmons and pollard..even with big bravo...thowing away their wickets just like dat.

simmons shud have had at least 2 ODI tons from the pile of fifties he scored.

Pollard , going fine... he does it once too often, silly and gives it up.

the last Oz tour big Bravo scores a ton, beautiful batting and yu think he is set to continue in that vein.
next innings he come out and plays a shit at a ball cutting into him, simple in cutter, misses the ball compeltely and gets bowled.

its like he just too his eys of the ball just like dat and get bowled.

since den it has been striaght downhill as a test player for him.

man I have seen it all yu know..real batting. I know den all from the sixties to now. I know wat battin is. and I am telling you that bravo has ther talent to a long way but hw wont if his smarts do not come up in the game. batting smarts are just as important as natural talent

I don't think you are comprehending what i've been saying!!, my point is simple, aged 22 THE BOY IS STILL LEARNING, therefore HE WILL HAVE UPS AND DOWNS, Shiv has all the experience in the world and yet look how he got out in the second innings? that was fecking terrible batting, Darren didn't get out playing a flashy shot he got out BY WALKING ACROSS HIS CREASE, it was a simple error of foot placement, something that can be addressed with no problem,

I still maintain the notion that expecting him to suddenly play like Dravid is unrealistic, he's not a Dravid type of player, and no batsman is gonna suddenly change their style in an innings, one can be more defensive or attacking but if it's not your natural game then sooner or later you're gonna get out, for example you think Chanders can bat flashy like Samuels? of course not, Darren is just begining to find his own way at International level and i'm sure in time the mistakes will be ironed out, he's hit 80s in both Tests and ODI so he's getting closer now, once the first ton comes i don't think the yute will look back.

I get your point man. I understand all u say. there is nothing wrong with what you say. I believe however that bravo could be batter at this point and what is reuired is a dat felixible quality dat allows him to use his braions to adjust to the condtions all the time.

wats so hard about dat?

if had been thinking like dat he woudl be focused and in control and wud not make the fundamental mistake he made to get bowled at a crucial time.

why wud yu forget the basics if you buckled down, responding to the conditions which are very unsetteled and inconsistent...

yuh in a sitaution that requires you to refocus on basics to survive! wat you walkign across you wicket for when the ball keeping low at times, bouncing at times?

yuh want to stay on leg or just outside and watch the ball to block it if it going to hit the wicket, leave it or hit it for runs. yuh want to stay there also to keep yuh pads out of the way...to try and avoid LBW from shooters.

wat yuh walking across yuh wicket for..unless yu see the ball on of and yuh want to hit it. but if the ball not on off..from you take yuh guard you block the damm ball?

didnt yu see how Dravd dealt with dat problem. exactly dat way. he almost never batted in a regular guard but was often outside leg stump, blocking balls..high or low when he saw wat the ball was doing. he was determined not to go LBW from one keeping low
and as far as shive is concerned I criticised his out already. he shud have been in position to middle dat ball. he did not move when he saw where the ball was. he stayed planted and played away from his body and dat was dat