when it comes right down to it I see gayle as man with a serious intellectual shortage, that made his leadership of the westindies a kind of pappayshow.
gayle is not westindian oprieneted at all...a serious problem leading the westindies wud allyuh not think!
Gaye is a very shortsighted fellow, prone to let his mout' slip in the most injurious of ways to westindies cricket and to perceptions of his own mental competence.
like when he opened up his mout's and opined dat test cricket was dying, dat he preferred the short versions of the game, that he was tired of test cricket or some such...as he arrived late to lead the westindies in england.
and of course there was a medai frenzy over that and westindies proceeded to a heavy defeat in a very cold, early english spring...a time of year in which the wicb shud never have agreed to tour england
How can Sammy recover from that shambles?
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Silvamaine
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Gents, before you get hot under the collar, all i'm saying is that i'm fully aware of Sammy's weaknesses and lack of merit to be in the test match starting eleven.
I just find it a little harsh that you're going to jump down his throat at every given opportunity, when a mistake is made. We all know that he doesn't cut it at the highest level, so stating the obvious doesn't compound the point any more than it needs to. And this constant strive for perfection?...he's a squad-player at best, so all i'm trying to say is that i don't see the point in getting upset, based upon the limited ability, that we all know he already has.
As far as the inevitable beating we're going to get in India, well that's going to happen anyway. Even at full strength, we're not beating India in India, coming to think of it, when was the last time we won a test series over there (how many decades ago was that? ), so i'm under no illusions that it will be different this time round, regardless of who is available for selection.
The only thing i'll say is, despite the flaws and mistakes, this has been the first time in a while that i've seen a West Indies team that goes out in the field and gives it 100%. Going back to this years home series against Pakistan and India, these guys look like they're having a chance to bowl the opposition out and not fading out to the inevitable declaration of the 500/600 mark.
That will no doubt change when much tougher challenges such as touring India with that daunting batting line-up, but i already see a lose-lose situation for Sammy because despite winning the ODI series in Bangla and looking in a strong position to win this test match, all i'm reading is what a shambolic player and captain he is. All this kneejerk reaction because of the fear of what India is going to do to us, is a little bemusing, it's as if some of you are expecting him to become Sir Garfield Sobers overnight and that is never going to happen in this lifetime.
Ideally, Sammy wouldn't see the time of day in the test match team. He would barely make the ODI/T20 team, but i'm just trying to deal with the cards we have and not looking to change the stack everytime something goes wrong. We're a work in progress and more mistakes are inevitably going to happen, but until the Board and Selectors see sense and make the neccessary changes, i'm just trying to look at the bigger picture and seeing this whole situation for what it is.
I just find it a little harsh that you're going to jump down his throat at every given opportunity, when a mistake is made. We all know that he doesn't cut it at the highest level, so stating the obvious doesn't compound the point any more than it needs to. And this constant strive for perfection?...he's a squad-player at best, so all i'm trying to say is that i don't see the point in getting upset, based upon the limited ability, that we all know he already has.
As far as the inevitable beating we're going to get in India, well that's going to happen anyway. Even at full strength, we're not beating India in India, coming to think of it, when was the last time we won a test series over there (how many decades ago was that? ), so i'm under no illusions that it will be different this time round, regardless of who is available for selection.
The only thing i'll say is, despite the flaws and mistakes, this has been the first time in a while that i've seen a West Indies team that goes out in the field and gives it 100%. Going back to this years home series against Pakistan and India, these guys look like they're having a chance to bowl the opposition out and not fading out to the inevitable declaration of the 500/600 mark.
That will no doubt change when much tougher challenges such as touring India with that daunting batting line-up, but i already see a lose-lose situation for Sammy because despite winning the ODI series in Bangla and looking in a strong position to win this test match, all i'm reading is what a shambolic player and captain he is. All this kneejerk reaction because of the fear of what India is going to do to us, is a little bemusing, it's as if some of you are expecting him to become Sir Garfield Sobers overnight and that is never going to happen in this lifetime.
Ideally, Sammy wouldn't see the time of day in the test match team. He would barely make the ODI/T20 team, but i'm just trying to deal with the cards we have and not looking to change the stack everytime something goes wrong. We're a work in progress and more mistakes are inevitably going to happen, but until the Board and Selectors see sense and make the neccessary changes, i'm just trying to look at the bigger picture and seeing this whole situation for what it is.
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mapoui
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well! theres a whole lot more to it than just sammy. the wicb is very st lucia and dat is a big reason why sammy is in there..
the wicb power travels arounf the region and wen it gets to the blocks of interest deh tend to want everythng their way..captain, president, selections etc.
'is we turn now!'
but 2 wrongs doh make a right. it was wrong for the big 4 to have dominated to the eclusion of the dots back in the day. but the tit for tat 'is we turn now' is revenge and dat as we can see clearly is a disaster in the making for westindies cricket...an example of which is sammy in charge on the field.
if sammy is to be blameless he must give up the captaincy knowing he is not good enuff and harming the overall effort.
there is no nystery to what is going on and sammy is fully aware of why he is westindian captain. he accepts dat so he is complicit and deserving of all the negative that flows his way. he knew, he took his chance. so be it!
in the meantime the wicb must be absolutely certain deh are fooling no one, getting away with nothing and their parochialism is harming westindies cricket deeply.
deh must be made aware that their 'is we turn now' is a page out of history, rightly must stay in the past, not for the current and future.
we have to let bygones be save as positive lesson and example to avoid...and focus on the now and the future. to act as theas the wicb do deh are sending the past into the future, rather than a new relevent struture we shud be building now to set up the future properly
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it seems to me you are spending too much time rationalisng the nonsense rather than making a pillory to nail their hides on..EVERY CHANCE YU GET!
the wicb power travels arounf the region and wen it gets to the blocks of interest deh tend to want everythng their way..captain, president, selections etc.
'is we turn now!'
but 2 wrongs doh make a right. it was wrong for the big 4 to have dominated to the eclusion of the dots back in the day. but the tit for tat 'is we turn now' is revenge and dat as we can see clearly is a disaster in the making for westindies cricket...an example of which is sammy in charge on the field.
if sammy is to be blameless he must give up the captaincy knowing he is not good enuff and harming the overall effort.
there is no nystery to what is going on and sammy is fully aware of why he is westindian captain. he accepts dat so he is complicit and deserving of all the negative that flows his way. he knew, he took his chance. so be it!
in the meantime the wicb must be absolutely certain deh are fooling no one, getting away with nothing and their parochialism is harming westindies cricket deeply.
deh must be made aware that their 'is we turn now' is a page out of history, rightly must stay in the past, not for the current and future.
we have to let bygones be save as positive lesson and example to avoid...and focus on the now and the future. to act as theas the wicb do deh are sending the past into the future, rather than a new relevent struture we shud be building now to set up the future properly
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it seems to me you are spending too much time rationalisng the nonsense rather than making a pillory to nail their hides on..EVERY CHANCE YU GET!
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Silvamaine
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Well i've said it before and i'll say it again, the biggest problem with Cricket in the West Indies is Hilaire and Hunte, their disciplined school-master mentality is a throwback to the pre-1970s and until that kind of dated mindset is gone, the team and the fans will suffer. I want change and anarchy at the top, i just don't want it to be at the expense of the team or player's performance, like alot of people on here are hoping it to be. I just wish there was another way that's all...mapoui wrote:well! theres a whole lot more to it than just sammy. the wicb is very st lucia and dat is a big reason why sammy is in there..
the wicb power travels arounf the region and wen it gets to the blocks of interest deh tend to want everythng their way..captain, president, selections etc.
'is we turn now!'
but 2 wrongs doh make a right. it was wrong for the big 4 to have dominated o the eclusion of the dots back in the day. but tit for tat 'is we turn now' is revenge and dat as we can see clearly is a disaster in the making, with sammy in charge on the field.
if sammy is to be blameless he must give up the captaincy knowing he is not good enuff and harming the overall effort.
there is no nystery to what is going on and sammy is fully aware of why he is westindian captain. he he accepts dat he is complicit and desrving of all the negative that flows his way.
in the meantime the wicb must be absolutely certain deh are fooling no one, getting away with nothing and their pracochialism is harming westindies cricket deeply.
deh must be made aware that their'is we turn now' is page out of history, rightly for the past not the current and future. we have to let bygones be and focus on the now and the future. to act as they do deh are sending the past into the future rather than a new relevent struture we shud be builidign nopw for success.
it seems to me you are spending too much time rtationalisng the nonseNSE rather than making a pillory to nail their hides on..EVERY CHANCE YU GET!
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mapoui
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well the cost of sammy is high..way too high. that is the price we are paying now for the litlle bump in perfomance and success yu are enjoying so much.
that is a function of most of the players being new, now geting their feet wet and as yet must be circumspect with regard to the wicb and the bosses. as soon as a year or 2 and deh are solidified the same trouble we have had will pop up again
also it has been largely due to the oposition we have been meeting and the conditions we have played under.
the same Pak team we drew with a few months ago wud eat westindies raw right now. they have brought back a senior or 3 and have made great strides in a few months.
we played Lanka strong but we had the seniors in the side then. again, we lost strongly to India at home, but that indian tream was short and suffering from some knd of malaise dat led to defeat in england soon after the westindies.
that malaise clearly has been shaken-off and we may be in for a real tuff time soon, a little to the east and south of bangladesh
the 'good' times are about to end. the price you are willing to pay for sammy is way too high. wood in deh craw all the time. no let up!
that is a function of most of the players being new, now geting their feet wet and as yet must be circumspect with regard to the wicb and the bosses. as soon as a year or 2 and deh are solidified the same trouble we have had will pop up again
also it has been largely due to the oposition we have been meeting and the conditions we have played under.
the same Pak team we drew with a few months ago wud eat westindies raw right now. they have brought back a senior or 3 and have made great strides in a few months.
we played Lanka strong but we had the seniors in the side then. again, we lost strongly to India at home, but that indian tream was short and suffering from some knd of malaise dat led to defeat in england soon after the westindies.
that malaise clearly has been shaken-off and we may be in for a real tuff time soon, a little to the east and south of bangladesh
the 'good' times are about to end. the price you are willing to pay for sammy is way too high. wood in deh craw all the time. no let up!
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AFRO
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Sorry but i disagree!!.. yesterday was SPECIAL CASE, when a captain contrives to give away his wicket in the mannar that he did when we were on course for 400 and then fails to do his job which is to take some wickets then why the hell can't we complain?Silvamaine wrote:Gents, before you get hot under the collar, all i'm saying is that i'm fully aware of Sammy's weaknesses and lack of merit to be in the test match starting eleven.
I just find it a little harsh that you're going to jump down his throat at every given opportunity, when a mistake is made. We all know that he doesn't cut it at the highest level, so stating the obvious doesn't compound the point any more than it needs to. And this constant strive for perfection?...he's a squad-player at best, so all i'm trying to say is that i don't see the point in getting upset, based upon the limited ability, that we all know he already has.
As far as the inevitable beating we're going to get in India, well that's going to happen anyway. Even at full strength, we're not beating India in India, coming to think of it, when was the last time we won a test series over there (how many decades ago was that? ), so i'm under no illusions that it will be different this time round, regardless of who is available for selection.
The only thing i'll say is, despite the flaws and mistakes, this has been the first time in a while that i've seen a West Indies team that goes out in the field and gives it 100%. Going back to this years home series against Pakistan and India, these guys look like they're having a chance to bowl the opposition out and not fading out to the inevitable declaration of the 500/600 mark.
That will no doubt change when much tougher challenges such as touring India with that daunting batting line-up, but i already see a lose-lose situation for Sammy because despite winning the ODI series in Bangla and looking in a strong position to win this test match, all i'm reading is what a shambolic player and captain he is. All this kneejerk reaction because of the fear of what India is going to do to us, is a little bemusing, it's as if some of you are expecting him to become Sir Garfield Sobers overnight and that is never going to happen in this lifetime.
Ideally, Sammy wouldn't see the time of day in the test match team. He would barely make the ODI/T20 team, but i'm just trying to deal with the cards we have and not looking to change the stack everytime something goes wrong. We're a work in progress and more mistakes are inevitably going to happen, but until the Board and Selectors see sense and make the neccessary changes, i'm just trying to look at the bigger picture and seeing this whole situation for what it is.
on this forum i've started two threads about Sammy, so it's not like i'm dogging the man all the time, but when massive errors like the one he made crop up then it deserves to be discussed imo.