No warmup before the Tests

[howzdat]

The 'no warmup' phenomena is all part of the game nowadays. I am sure that some posters can recall the days when a test series would be preceeded by a number of warmup games in which players could adjust to conditions and selectors refine their team ideas etc. India is going to be a tough assignment.

[mikesiva]

whats done is done, we'll have warm up matches in india which is a much more important series so it's not like this is something the WICB haven't learned from.

Yeah, right! As if the WICB learn anything....

Here's the schedule for the tour of India, and there are no warmup matches whatsoever.

Erm THERE'S ONLY FOUR DAYS BETWEEN THE END OF THE SECOND BANG TEST AND THE FIRST INDIA TEST MIKE... SO STOP CRYING YOU BIG BABY AND GET OVER IT!! .

The spineless WICB didn't have to agree to play five ODIs....

They could've told the BCCI that they would play just three ODIs, and three Tests, allowing a warmup to be fitted in. England told them to fit in warmups, and they did.

England and Australia always insist on playing warmups, even these days, and they get what they want. Any reason why the WICB doesn't?

We are so lucky that two days were wiped out by a poor outfield....

[mikesiva]

I thought it would be obvious to them by now that they need to schedule warmup matches....

Maybe if they'd had one, we would be in a better position now. Mark my words, because half our team is going into this Test without any match experience in Bangladesh, we're not winning this Test. Hell, we may even struggle to overhaul Bangladesh's first inning score!

Nothing annoys me more than folks who should know better being disorganised. It's not good enough to say that Bangladesh are ranked below us and that we should win it, therefore we don't need a warmup match. Because it's wins over teams like Bangladesh that improve our win-loss ratio, and at this rate, we may just struggle in this Test, and may have a mountain to climb.

Silva says it's disorganisation, not complacency. To be frank, they're both as bad as each other....

THE PITCH IS A FECKING ROAD!!.. we could have played ten warm up matches and it still would have been tough today!!..wasn't Rampaul in India recently? did he blow Bang away today? don't try and use this lack of a warm up match as some sort of reason why we haven't got them all out today, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, like i've said aready 350 is par on this pitch, and i'm confident we'll get them out before they reach that mark tomorrow,

Also Mike making bold predictions about the match is rather STUPID when you haven't even seen us bat yet!!..i guess i shouldn't be surprised because you always seem to want to be negative about anything and everything these days!! , if they can be comfortable on this track you can bet your bottom dollar we will be too, because believe it or not WE'VE GOT A BETTER BATTING ORDER THAN THEM.

I hate to say I told you so, but...I told you so!

It's not a matter of being negative...it's a matter of recognising a team being unprofessional, and the West Indies were very unprofessional in not scheduling a warmup, poor bowling, half the team playing their first match in Bangladesh, rusty batting, reckless shot-making...if you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail, and the WIndies literally threw it away before this Test started!

We might be better on paper, but you've got to execute your plans on the field, and Bangladesh did that better than us....

[AFRO]

I hate to say I told you so, but...I told you so!

It's not a matter of being negative...it's a matter of recognising a team being unprofessional, and the West Indies were very unprofessional in not scheduling a warmup, poor bowling, half the team playing their first match in Bangladesh, rusty batting, reckless shot-making...if you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail, and the WIndies literally threw it away before this Test started!

We might be better on paper, but you've got to execute your plans on the field, and Bangladesh did that better than us....

"You told me so" what? let me break down some facts for you Mike..

Simmons= played two Odi's
Brathwaite= played in India for a month recently
Rampaul= played two odi's
Bishoo= played two odi's
Samuels= played three odi's
Sammy= played two odi's
Bravo= played three odi's

THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE TEAM!!..so your "no warm up" obsession is rather feeble imo, the bottom line is Bang had a road and then we had to bat on a landmine!!.. ANYONE WHO TRIES TO DENY THAT IS RATHER DUMB IMO .

[mikesiva]

That still leaves four members of your team who are rusty, and playing their first match. That is too many players to carry into your side, and suddenly expect them to perform. Anyone who runs their team along those idiotic lines is asking for problems. That is why I was able to so accurately predict that we were not going to overhaul their first innings total....

Plus, KB was playing against under-19 players, and Test players are much better, as he found out.

Are we so close in abilities to Bangladesh that we can't expect to bat second and surpass their total, even on a second day or third day pitch? Because that's what it was....

Now, if this is a "minefield", as you call it, let's see how much we skittle them out for in their second innings. If this pitch is so bad, we should be able to bowl them out. Their first innings lasted 123 overs. Ours lasted just 68 overs. How much will theirs last? 45 overs? Any predictions?

[AFRO]

That still leaves four members of your team who are rusty, and playing their first match. That is too many players to carry into your side, and suddenly expect them to perform. Anyone who runs their team along those idiotic lines is asking for problems. That is why I was able to so accurately predict that we were not going to overhaul their first innings total....

Plus, KB was playing against under-19 players, and Test players are much better, as he found out.

Are we so close in abilities to Bangladesh that we can't expect to bat second and surpass their total, even on a second day or third day pitch? Because that's what it was....

Now, if this is a "minefield", as you call it, let's see how much we skittle them out for in their second innings. If this pitch is so bad, we should be able to bowl them out. Their first innings lasted 123 overs. Ours lasted just 68 overs. How much will theirs last? 45 overs? Any predictions?

Erm when they came back to bat didn't we reduce them to 95/5? SO MY THEORY HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN, secondly according to your logic we're as good as India now? BECAUSE WE DREW A TEST WITH THEM ASWELL DIDN'T WE? the bottom line is us winning this test series, if we win it one nill then who the hell is gonna care about some fecking warm up matches? EVEN IF WE PLAYED WARM UP GAMES THIS RESULT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME, so at the end of the day your point of view is irrelevant.

[mikesiva]

My point of view is only irrelevant to you, Afro, because you seem to be in denial that we've been well and truly outplayed by Bangladesh in this Test, and that we've gone into it unprepared....

We are very lucky that two days were ruined by overnight rain and a poor outfield.

If this is the so-called landmine that you claim it is, in this second innings we should be able to bowl them out for under the 68 overs that we struggled to bat in our first innings....

Will that happen? Or will Bangladesh bat with more purpose than we did?

If we end up using this sorry excuse of a Test as a warmup for the second Test, then can you imagine how much better we would've played in this Test if we'd actually scheduled a proper three-day warmup game?

[AFRO]

My point of view is only irrelevant to you, Afro, because you seem to be in denial that we've been well and truly outplayed by Bangladesh in this Test, and that we've gone into it unprepared....

We are very lucky that two days were ruined by overnight rain and a poor outfield.

If this is the so-called landmine that you claim it is, in this second innings we should be able to bowl them out for under the 68 overs that we struggled to bat in our first innings....

Will that happen? Or will Bangladesh bat with more purpose than we did?

If we end up using this sorry excuse of a Test as a warmup for the second Test, then can you imagine how much better we would've played in this Test if we'd actually scheduled a proper three-day warmup game?

NO-ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR MOANING MIKE!!!.. your just an old man who's spitting his dummy out over issues you can't control, if you can't handle the facts that seven of our players have played matches in the sub-continant recently and Bang batted on a road to get to 244/4 then that's not my problem!!..educating grandads isn't my thing!!..if you want to moan then go contact the WICB, because you're just pissing in the wind right now,

And as i type this we get a wicket!!.. what a surprise!! .

[mikesiva]

So, I take it you're happy with our performance in the first Test....

I'm sorry if I'm annoyed at this inept display of incompetence by the Windies, but this first Test has shown why the Windies needed a warmup game. Now, that they've in effect had a three-day warmup (since two days were abandoned), I expect them to perform better in the second Test.

[AFRO]

So, I take it you're happy with our performance in the first Test....

I'm sorry if I'm annoyed at this inept display of incompetence by the Windies, but this first Test has shown why the Windies needed a warmup game. Now, that they've in effect had a three-day warmup (since two days were abandoned), I expect them to perform better in the second Test.

Of course i'm not happy with the performance but the fact is even if we'd batted well the game would have been a draw, so there's no point in arguing over spilt milk, if they are poor in the next game then moan, but my main concern is about WINNING this series, let Bang think they've had some "moral victory" if they want, the fact is they had everything go their way AND THEY STILL DIDN'T WIN, fullstop.