TONY BECCA IS A SKUNT!!

[mikesiva]

and there must be kickbacks and 'friendly' jobs at top salaries in there too.

if we look closely we may find I am certain relatives and friends and close associates of the HH, and the Beckles etc working and earning up in there.

and at the same time the pl;ayers from the HPC are those trained and prepared to sbaotage wipa for example. good, upper class boys they will never challenge the status quo, and cease being a progressive example and driving force of westindian nationalsit fervor

the A team as recipient of a load of HPC players is helping to serve the purpose of a make-over of westindian cricket, producing at the same time a profit for the designers.

so all this youth movement and the talk around it hides the real corruption at the centre of things...that the wicb is engaged in the killing of westindian cricket, its make-over and redirection..all the time we are engaged in argument about youht and youth and youth etc

its all quite sophisticated..so sophisticated that i am sure they are geting outrside advice and expert planning to do their dirty work...all the time making money for themselves, feeding thie haqngers on and their elitist friends

I think that's a very interesting assessment, maps, and one I never thought of before you raised it....

But you're right! These players don't deserve their places in the A team, so clearly there is some other agenda. It does seem that the WICB are trying to circumvent another strike, which is probably on the cards, given the poor relationship between administrators and players.

[AFRO]

And where are their averages now? Below 40....

Surely, that should tell you that they've been in decline, which comes back to the point that Becca so accurately made - batsmen are not playing enough cricket, are being touted as the next best thing, and are being pushed into the senior team long before they're ready.

These days Bonner is being treated as a batsman, batting at four for the A team, and hardly bowling at all. The point Becca is making about the likes of Corbin is that it's good to make runs in one season, but one swallow does not a summer make. You need to make runs in consecutive seasons to get into the side, like Barath did.

You need to realise that Bravo might have weathered the storm, but he's succeeding DESPITE being pushed into the team too early, not because of it....

All in all, a very good article by Becca, and it highlights the selectorial problems with the senior team and the A team.

Erm how the feck was Bravo "rushed" when he was OUR BEST BATSMAN in his debut series? and what "storm" did he face? before he got these tons he was very close to averaging a 50 every two innings, the only problem he had was converting BUT HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD THAT PROBLEM, Shiv had the same issues when he started,

Also regarding Bonner, DIDN'T HE GET A TON IN THE TEST MATCH? i thought that's what you were asking for?

Bottom line is the policy will not be changing no matter how many old farts like you and Becca moan!!..it's that simple really!! .

[mapoui]

in the case of bonner and corbin deh are making serious mistakes by taking them out of their natural flow as all-rounder and batting keeper.

players are what they are and must be encouraged on their current strenghts. selected as such THEY WILL OVER THEIR CAREERS DEVELOP ACCORDING TO WHAT FULL ABILITIES THEY HAVE...THE TOTALITY OF WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE WHEN THEY START OUT.

OR NOT DEVELOP AT ALL OVER WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY SHOW

BUT THEY WILL BE SELECTED FIRST ON THEIR YOUTHFUL STRENGTHS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY COME TO THE TABLE WITH.

the youth selectors seem prepared to chop and changes young players abilities by directing them where the selectors 'feel' their strenght lies, and not on what the players actually demonstrate they like to do in fact.

thats dangerous selectoral policy. Buttsy and dem better check demselves and come back to earth

[mapoui]

AND NOW THAT THE hpc IS THERE AND TO JUSTIFY ITSELF BY HOARDING THE WHOLE ENTRY PROCESS...ultimately the enitire cricket process...THERE WILL BE VERY FEW PLACES FOR THOSE COMING OUTSIDE THE HPC AND OTHER ACADEMIES.

and just like that we have another elitism in westindies cricket. if the academies are not beating the bushes looking for ordinary kids, deh wont have a chance over the college boys.

we will soon be back to the days when Harrison, QRC, St Marys and the big high schools dominated everything in the westindies.

in Bim players like weekes and sobers, ordinary boys squeaked through on sheer ability. people like the bobbicans Kanhai and Butcher came through due to walcott and his work for the sugar companies.

if THIS NEW ELITISM SUCCEEDS I AM AFRAID IT WILL BE FAR MORE COMPLETE THAN THE OLD ONE. ORDINARY BOYS WILL BE TOTALLY LOCKED OUT. ORDINARY BOYS ARE EQUAL TO REVOLUTION. THE ELITES DONT WAT DAT.

allyuh better get prepared for elite westindian cricket. that is wat HH and The Beckles from Bim has begun to build

[BallOil]

AND NOW THAT THE hpc IS THERE AND TO JUSTIFY ITSELF BY HOARDING THE WHOLE ENTRY PROCESS...ultimately the enitire cricket process...THERE WILL BE VERY FEW PLACES FOR THOSE COMING OUTSIDE THE HPC AND OTHER ACADEMIES.

and just like that we have another elitism in westindies cricket. if the academies are not beating the bushes looking for ordinary kids, deh wont have a chance over the college boys.

we will soon be back to the days when Harrison, QRC, St Marys and the high schools dominated everything in the westindies.

in Bim players like weekes and sobers, ordinary boys squeaked through on sheer ability. people like the bobbicans Kanhai and Butcher came through due to walcott and his work for the sugar companies.

if THIS NEW ELITISM SUCCEEDS I AM AFRAID IT WILL BE FAR MORE COMPLETE THAN THE OLD ONE. ORDINARY BOYS WILL BE TOTALLY LOCKED OUT. ORDINARY BOYS ARE EQUAL TO REVOLUTION. THE ELITES DONT WAT DAT.

allyuh better get prepared for elite westindian cricket. that is wat HH and The Beckles from Bim has begun to build

spot on Maps... But, Googs seh Kanhai was a cricket prodigy and everybody in berbice knew it. He seh Wallcott is like Columbus.

[AFRO]

AND NOW THAT THE hpc IS THERE AND TO JUSTIFY ITSELF BY HOARDING THE WHOLE ENTRY PROCESS...ultimately the enitire cricket process...THERE WILL BE VERY FEW PLACES FOR THOSE COMING OUTSIDE THE HPC AND OTHER ACADEMIES.

and just like that we have another elitism in westindies cricket. if the academies are not beating the bushes looking for ordinary kids, deh wont have a chance over the college boys.

we will soon be back to the days when Harrison, QRC, St Marys and the big high schools dominated everything in the westindies.

in Bim players like weekes and sobers, ordinary boys squeaked through on sheer ability. people like the bobbicans Kanhai and Butcher came through due to walcott and his work for the sugar companies.

if THIS NEW ELITISM SUCCEEDS I AM AFRAID IT WILL BE FAR MORE COMPLETE THAN THE OLD ONE. ORDINARY BOYS WILL BE TOTALLY LOCKED OUT. ORDINARY BOYS ARE EQUAL TO REVOLUTION. THE ELITES DONT WAT DAT.

allyuh better get prepared for elite westindian cricket. that is wat HH and The Beckles from Bim has begun to build

The HPC is merely to help the most talented youngsters develop their skills, ONLY TWO PLAYERS from that program (Powell and Bonner) have gone on to represent the WI senior team recently, and in Bonner's case it was just a t20 game,

If a player puts in big numbers in the domestic competitions THEY WILL BE PICKED FOR THE SENIOR TEAMS, it's not just about the HPC kids, look at Narine for example? he's only 23 and he wasn't part of the HPC and yet he's in the WI ODI team now, same thing with Carlos Brathwaite,

The HPC is a blessing to the region and in my opinion we should embrace the fact that the youngsters now have a place where they can have good coaches work with them, i don't see why you and others wanna run it down and create false theories about it.

[mapoui]

I am not running down the HPC. the impression of the HPC I first had is the one you describe it to be. THE HPC HOWEVER IS NO BLESSING IN DISGUISE I CAN ASSURE YOU. FAR FROM IT!

everything that exists socially does so for a reason and purpose ...which always reflects the interests and looks like the people who brought it into being.

it follows that nothng the wicb does will look unlike the wicb itself is..or function inconsistent with the wicb interest.

thats the way things are. you seem to think differently and I assure that it is not different.

what wud people Beckles and HH do if and when deh have anythng to do? if the HPC is not yet what i described it to be give it time.

it is not only the westindies and westndies cricket that is becoming elitist!

the whole world is following such a pattern due to where the power in the world lies and what those who hold that power must do in order to keep it. because of concentration of wealth and power, the global circle enjopying such wealth and power contracting. the powers must make extreme contration, complete concentration, and seek to make the people accept such a reality by the police power and by propaganda.

if they do not do thast they wil lose their power, their status as a class and we would have the opposite of concentration..difussed social democracy. the struggle is that between concentration and democracy..between elitism and popular democracy and social control

the westindies is a totally controlled region and for that reason are forced to follow international trends once the local power relations remain the same.

the contraction of power affects all areas of life and looks like what is happening now.

ultimately society will look like a technologised expression of what cane and cotton slavery used to look like..only slavery now will be debt slavery, not hard work in agricultural production...but hard work generally to pay off interests on all manner of debt forced on the people by an exploitative banking system

in westindies cricket watch the academy grow and take up all the space. and if not the academy something that represents contraction of power and democrcy. but that is the way things are going globally in society period. and the only development that can stop it is total social rebellion.

watch out!!!

[mapoui]

so wat is the probleM?

yu behave as if we have never seen such social phonomena as I have described before..as if society has never experienced an elitism, a concentration of social power as I have described.

but we were born into such elitism in the westindies and it has not changed fundamentally in all the time the westindies has existed.

I was born and grew in Titty and I never knew Trinidad to be any different than all i accuse the wicb of.
look here. the very first blac men I saw with my ow 2 eyes playing for tITTY WERE pRINCE bARTHOLOMEW, pascual roberts and Leo john. from the time I knew myself queens park was the jefe in titty cricket and ensured that almost the entire team was composed of whites and near whites with token Indians and blacks.

by the mid seventies Indos began to take over and Indo control led to the most Afros who ever played for Titty at any one time preiviously. there were times when up to 5-6, and even 7 Afro players represented Titty at one time over the past 30-35 years. that never happened under white control.
there was a time up to about 1965, when Afros comprised about 65% of Tittys population which was never, ever, reflected in any representative thing Titty did. there were times when up to 9 Indos were on the Titty side. that has never ever happend with Afros in Titty..although it did in football.
but soccer has been important for the past 25 years or so. cricket was crucial from the start..but from the start it was a white thing..as was the whole society. whites were a distinct minority.
such whites dominated Titty society however, was a tremendously concentrated thing. all the power was in the hands of the governor as english rep on the scene. and all local power were in the hands of whites. Indo and Afro were on the sidelines.

Independence brought not fundamental social change, just a widening of the power circles...which widening is disappearing as we speak and I can observe a return to the old concentration, forced by the way the established system works globally...a systemic development that has ripened to produce a return to concentration which only social revolution can prevent

[AFRO]

You can live in a world of expecting the worst if you like Map, but i'd rather take what's going in with that HPC at face value, they are trying to improve all the youngsters in the region so that WI can have a better future, FULL STOP, if players outside the HPC perform then the yutes will have to wait their turn, this isn't a black, white or asian ting, IT'S A CARIBBEAN THING, rich or poor as long as you're good enough it doesn't matter, no point dwelling on the past because we can't change it now, but we can do our best to create a better future and that's what the HPC is trying to do.

[mapoui]

You can live in a world of expecting the worst if your like Map, but i'd rather take what's going in with that HPC at face value, they are trying ti improve all the youngsters in the region so that WI can have a better future, FULL STOP, if players outside the HPC perform then the yutes will have to wait their turn, this isn't a black, white or asian ting, IT'S A CARIBBEAN THING, rich or poor as long as you're good enough it doesn't matter, no point dwelling on the past because we can't change it now, but we can do our best to create a better future and that's what the HPC is trying to do.

I neither live in the past nor live expecting the worse. the worse comes when people ignore the lessons of experience and let the crap continue for whatever reason. it is you who establish here that you are detrmined to live with blinders.

8 years ago when I began posting on sissy.com I stated what i state here and now clearly: westinaidn society is dead, corrupt, failed and will not resurge unless the westindian massive rises up and changes the society from the ground up. as cricket is part of society and faithfully reflect current social reality cricket is likewise afflicted by the state of society and ti also will not resurge unless westindian society re-news itself

the problems in the westindies stem from the fact that the blac brown elites did not go all the way with independence, take over the region, buy out the economy and place it in local hands, setting up the people to have a signicant share and say in how their region/nation functioned, planned, organised. westindian blac and brown leadership preffered to sell out to the forrin interest, keep ownership in their hands and maintain the old system only with back brown faces where the whites used to be.

so we have no real local control...a fact that means all as the international situation contracts and we have no power to chart independent courses on our own, in search of prosperity to maintain our independence...as venezueala, argentina,Bolivia, Brasil etc. does for example. we suffer all the crap that is hitting the west now. our elites tied into the western situation are as as brutal on the our people as they are on theirs