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Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:24 pm
by BallOil
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Sir Hilary Beckles, Director of the WICB making public statements on the subject, "Frank Worrell: The Rise and Fall of West Indies Cricket" :
Beckles' remarks against Gayle as "The Don' of West Indies Cricket, and statements, that the WICB is trying to "uproot this Don-manship out of the culture in much the same way that the Jamaican people are trying to uproot Dudus from their politics" have ignited outcries across the Caribbean and a call from the WIPA, the players' association, for Beckles' resignation from the WICB and from the Sagicor HPC.
Beckles has since claimed that the audio of the lecture was edited, in his words: "The presentation was edited, I believe it was misrepresented, statements were strung together to create what for WIPA was an unfortunate unpleasant and unsavoury image. "
Caribbean Sports Media Online has obtained video footage of the lecture and has posted this as a matter of record of the facts. This excerpt is part of the video of the full-length lecture.
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:32 pm
by mapoui
after 1 going over I am thoroughly displeased with the mans conclusions. he is a status quo man and clearly not marxist by any measurement.
therefore the econmic question of a nationalism that girds a nation and a people makes little sense to him.
"how can a nation produce citizens prepared to sacrifice for that nation when its culture is based on an exploitation that prevents the nation from being a nation, savagely exploits all its citizens save its elites, ensuring that no matter how hard you work you are likely to end up behind an 8-ball somewhere?"
he raises the issue of the players questioning what the nation has done for then and finding that the answer is nothing, look out for themselve first and the nation last.
that shud help us get into the issue if Beckles had dug into it deeper
after raising that point Beckles goes straight into his conceptual evolution of leadership from father to don and sank gayle. he never dug deeper into it to clarify fully why the some of the current players put themselves over the 'nation'
Beckles does not say if he sees the classic confrontation between what Gayle represents and the old westidies, that he and such as hunte and hilaire represent in his conceptualisation of the Don.
after all the Don rose in the omission of the status quo to provide a living for the people in a nationaly owned and growing demestic economy, in which vacuum they allowed the violent drug trade to become the default economy, occupying the people with crime when they refused to employ them in a national prodcutive project of constructing real independence.
Dudus became a don collecting large sums of money and creating an alternate state structure in Jamaica...or social safety net for some people. that addressed the material needs of the ordinary folk who were involved to some extent..an extent no Jamaica government ever met.
which is why Dudus was protected by the people to the extent he was
it is the rotten social situation that gave rise to Dudus..a situation in which the westindian elite including the jamaican elite were instrumental in creating.
If gayle is Don as in Dudus and the players follow him then it is a rebellion and a creative one for they are in opposition to the staus quo, who have brought about the decayed state of westindies cricket. the players have sought and exercise something of an alternative by their preferred and more lucrative participation in world T20 cricket.
there is the class clash that the wicb does not want...which is prolly why Beckles attacked Gayle. and which is also why Gayle will prolly never play for the westindies again
the players have a case when they express determination not to end up heros but poor. being a hero must translate into a positive living in retirement or it makes no sense.
Beckles did not go into these basic issues that bring to the fore the econmic question which is fundamental in the debate.
at this stage after watching the video once Beckles looks disingenous, playing propaganda games in favour of the status quo
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:02 pm
by mapoui
the major problem here is gayles level of intelligence and acacdemnic sophistication.
if Gayle were on the same level as Jimmy Adams for example we wud have a real fight on our hands, a real class clash that wud bring the westindian national question to the fore.
Gayle is an ignorant man as I have pointed out long before when I used to call him the un-Worrell
Gayle does not have a clue as to the social currents he is a part of, the waves he is making, but dont undersdtand why..what he actually means in the sitaution, and the popular side cud never find expression through his captaincy of the westindies although Gayle has a peersonality that rocks the situation.
he just does not comprehend it all, does not have the brains to understand it , accept his role as a leader of the popular side and use the resulitng power to help shape the coail reality he is a part of positively.
right now gyale rocks the boat and talks childish nonsense when he has to speak, subjewctive nonsese when he shud be spaking as Adams does with some depth of understanding of the westindian relaity and how it impacts his profession in his time
Gayles' is a another point like that of worrell but he cannot advance the cause of the players and of oprdinary folk as Worrell did. Gayle is full of spunk but he does not klnow what to do with it most effectively.
poor guy but the westindies have lost far more for Gayle being as limited as he is jimy Adams was born one generation too soon.
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:07 pm
by mapoui
Beckles ignores events like Hunte Himself aiding and abetting Gayle, using Gayle and allowing eggregious developments like 9 Yardies on the westindies team
I am still trying to figure out why that happened, why Hunte allowed it to happen? that was an incredibly negative development but it proves the incorrigability of the wicb, the very same entity Beckles defends here and casts as getting rid of the Don culture in the westindies team
but it is Hunte and Hilaire who abbetted it. gayle had offered to resign, had tendered his resignation but they called him to a meeting and the rsult was that Gayle stayed as captain anxd was given the right to transpose the yardie team into the westindies team
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:22 pm
by mapoui
it is also very interesting to hear Beckles rhapsodise and salivate over the young men of the under 19 team which just won the worlds is it?
all these young men appear to be old fogeys in their youth for they hark back to the past in a way that Beckles absolutely drools over.
I hope I am wrong and beckels impression of them is a misrepresentaion and a misdirection.
it is all well and good to look back but if those young men are prepared to sacrifice their lives for the westindies again, to be heros and end up poor, while Beckles, Hilaire and Hunte slink off into retirement as rich men, then we are preparing fool and lambs for slauighetr even if they do resurge westindies cricket, take it back to the top.
I do not wish to see westindies cricket at the top on the backs of young slaves for the blac master now..in addition to the white one who is always there, never far from the money!
that is what I believe excites Beckles so much yu can see the spittle flying as he talks...that a young ad foolish, docile generation of cricketers is rising, that the wicb has the makings of another good but fool and sacrifical team, led by a loyal idiot darren Sammy, who apparently is satisfied by the lot of land they gave him in castries...
a team dat wud send westindies back to the top over which they have total control and can profit by the zillions, from all the networks now in the cricket game. deh do not even need filled grounds in the westrindies but the people will come if westindies win again.
I can imagine the visons of sugar plums in wicb heads. no wonder the doctors are in such good spirits..Beckles, Hillair, Hunte, Allen Sammy....
everywhere yu look there is a doctor in the woodwork. and in the same places yu find the shit..as if they drop it everywhere they walk, as they walk, like the goats deh are
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:23 pm
by mapoui
but I have to look at the vid again...3, 4 more times to really get the gist of all Beckles says.
more later!
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:51 am
by mapoui
next thing is that Beckles is a DON himself. someone shud put him on the couch too, analysie him and ut him in his historical place.
as a man of 'education' and academic credentials he feesl he has the right to put oridinary westindians on he anaylyst couch and say what he feels about the, no matter the consequences to those so targeted.
but Beckles himelf is part of the westindian elite, a group far more parasitic than Dudus Cook. Dudus Cook is honcho and jefe of a system that produces its own weatlh, no mater how criminal as defined by the system on place
Hillary Beckles is part of a system that produces no wealth at all, in fact stifles the capability of the westindian pordianry peopel to produce wealth and lives of the taxation of the people, and whatever smalls areas allowed to actually produce wealth in the very social truncation they have created.
Beckles carries a huge salarary as a university prefessor in the westindies but what is the work he does and how does it impact the westindies..posiively or negaively? apart from crickek...indeed even in cricket what are he rsults of his work? in cricket we must yet wai for results and in that very speech above he promsies much but we still must wait to see. there is still much doubt there will be any kind of results equal to what he expects.
but SIR Hillary Beckles salary is in no doubt. as a 'businessman' Dududs Cook was subject to all the vagaries of being in business and now in fact he has been consumed by one. there was no guarantee about earning a lving for Cook, nor for Gayle and Samuels. they could suffer and injury in the morning and they are odne, relagated to poverty for their durations.
the sheer uincertainty of life for all 3 so tainted by Beckles is so great that one readily understands thir sense of urgencey in making the best they can out of cricket. but there is no uncertainty about the living Beckels earns as parasite, a favorite of and unholder of the sytem that pays him
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:02 am
by mapoui
the westindies is of a certain systematic constitution hat has placed forrin banks at the ehart of it, creaming off money by the zillion.
the forrin banks have been allowed to oeprate in the region in total control of the money supply, as such monay in the westindies comes into only by bank debt. the banks leds money to all including the gvernment for everything that moves in the regio.
debt builds upo huigely and stifles the economy. the banks then force the govern to establish austeirty measure to ensure there is money to pay interest charges. interest charges in the westindioes outstrrips the sum of general income taxation, and all otehr sources of governement and private revenue. taxation levels approach high levesl of t=what peiople erarn as salaries and all that is not enuff to pay the interest on the collective debt of westindies.
so the banks kill off the social safety net in the region and the westindian people do not even have prioperly functioning hospitals, general medical servioces, roads, clean water, electircity etc.
and whateve the governments dream up to do in the region they must finance it by banl laon at inetesrt to pay the very same peopel they allowed to control the whole finaical systent at independence...forriners.
that is the form of slavery the willingly put the westindan people at independence....all of hem including Eric Williams, the Manleys and Busta, Grantley Adams. marryshaw. Bradsaw, Birds...all of them the fathrs of idnpendecne
out intellectuals were supposed to tell us about our world, the sytem how it worksm how to correct it, to make it better to serve the needs of all westindissn. well including Beckels they have told us nothing. hey have dircted the University of the westindies to focus on irrelevant crap as academic work, not no focus on the westindies, and its compostion, resources and how we may address regional problems
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:14 am
by mapoui
that is what V=Beckles and the entire faculty of the UWI is supposed to do,,eeducate the peopel in their process and so change our reality for the better.
walter rodney did that and they killed him for it. Clive Thomas eased off to save his life and one hopes that he found some way to assist in a reduced manner in Guyana.
here have been others who tried to help the westindies people who have been assassinated in many ways or forced to leave the westindies.
a criminal situation exists in thewestindies from the top down,. it has been enplaced for almost 50 years now and those who drink of the blood of the westindian people have suppped tgheuir fill for half a century now.
the westindies is a total crime scene and the university of the westindiesand its faculties arEA one arm of the proces of enforment of the westindian protection racket. and as such SIR HiILLARY BECKLES IS A BIGGER DON and enforcer THAN DUDUS COOK COULD EVER HAVE BEEN
the westindies can make money from tourism, from oil sold to the west at peppercorn prices...same with bauxite and whatever the westindies produces. but the westindiec annot even think of developing a locally owned economy focuysde on the development of the people. the westindies has no chance of this because of the banking system in place which creams off all the money in interest charhes, and sueezes the shit of the econmy, beyond what it actualy generates to servive debt
tTHE ENTIRE WESTINDIAN ELITE ARE COMPLICT IN THAT PROJECT. THEY ALL KOW, ALWAYS KNEW, SOLD OUT, WERE PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF IIT, HAVE PROFITED BY IT AS A CLASS FOR 2 GENERATIONS. THE WESTINDIES HAS NO CHANCE AT AL AT AL AT AL OF GOING ANYWHERE WITH THAT BANKING SYSTEM IN PLACE
Re: Sir Hilary Beckles Lecture - "Chris Gayle is the Don"
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:24 am
by mapoui
so when we see Beckles salaivating pver the docility of the younger players we know what dat is about.
A don cannot stand competitition. and the collection of the DONS at the wicb are the worst we have ever had running westindies cricket. they cannot stand oppostion from the players.
they want a docile, controlled team which is one reason why Darren Sammy has been made captain.
Sammy is endearing to them for the very reason I like him for example. he is well behaved, and tries hard all the time, while accepting all he has been asked to do for, whatever reward he has been promised.
because of that factor sammy is captain for life regardLess of the fact that he will never achieve success because he is prolly not good enuff
now Beckles drools of a team full of Sammys..Braihwaite and the rest, all 'good' boys, highly susceptible to manipulation and control.
no sir...what we shud do..must do ...with the westindian elites is to put them in their proper place. THEY ARE ALL AS CRIMINAL AS ANY DUDUS COOK HAS EVER BEEN. THEY ARE the REAL DONS, MAFIOSO, NOT THE PRETEND DONS GAYLE AND SAMMUELS ARE..LOW LEVEL AND RELATIVE TO THE 11...30 PLAYERS WHO RUN ING AND OUT OF THE WESTINDIES TEAM.
THE DOCTORS AND THE BLAC KNIIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE, ARE ALL CRIMINAL MAFIOSA, INTEGRAL PART OF THE WESTRINDIAN CRIME SCENE