Nash is worth his place in the currrent WI team. Discuss

[howzdat]

Have been reading some pretty diverse views on Brendan Nash as part of discussions about other things here on the forum, so I thought I would try to add my two penneth worth on a topic specifically dedicated to him.

So that we can always incorporate a statistical view of his perfromance in the team here's a link to his player profile on cricinfo as at 21 June 2011 prior to the start of the second day's play in the first test at Sabina Park in Jamaica.

I will develop further arguments as time goes however to kick things off I will say from the outset that in my opinion Brendan Nash is worthy of his place in the current Wi indies team and I support his selection whether or not he is named as vice captain.

That a cricleter of his ability and background can make the team should serve to awaken us to the fact that WI may well find itself having to look further afield amongst the worldwide West Indian diaspora for players of quality!

Football, track and field and basketball are sports in which we find individuals of caribbean background performing for nations NOT of their birth but for which they have qualified. Why should the reverse not be the case? And why should cricket be any different?

Having learnt his cricket in a land where sportsmen and women operate in regimes that are renowned for seeking sporting excellence (not only in cricket) I think that Nash also brings a special attitude to the team. Why shouldn't WI benefit from having individuals of his calibre 'come home'?

Additionally, his parents have ensured that their child is sufficiently aware of their own backgrounds and the opportunities that this opens up. I think we should applaud their efforts and encourage others who might be right now nurturing spoting stars of the future.

[mapoui]

That a cricleter of his ability and background can make the team should serve to awaken us to the fact that WI may well find itself having to look further afield amongst the worldwide West Indian diaspora for players of quality!

at this I dont belive there are or would be many players of westindian descent around the world, willing to play for the westindies.

I bel;ive westindies cricket has become so discredited over the first 16 years of dominant afro-westindian adminsitration, that any player with a chance to go or play elsewhere for any oher than the westindies, wud do so gladly.

which fact has always exposed skansh as a man with no opportunity elsewhere and ame to the westindies to exploit our statde of poverty to get himself a career which he could earn nowhere else.

that is the salient fact about that sknash we must consider. he came to the westindies not at 19, 21 or 23...but at 29 years of age. sknash had exhausted every possiblity of playing for Oz, had no more chance of that and so he decided to come to the westindies.

it is a reality of exploitation not one of commitement to the region. had he really wanted to play for the westindies he could have come 'home' more than 10 years before he did

which brings into the debate who skansh is, why he is an australian by birth and not westindian.

there is a story in there that is hardly 'nice' and the gist of my oppostion to sknashs selection. skansh selectuion is an insult to the westindies and to all tohse who slave away here, in our penurious conditions to try to make soemthing out of nothing.

skansh can play in my scheme of things after the very last possible player of direct westindian orign has been given a chace and found wanting...and we absolutely have no one else. and even then he wud be hard-pressed to get my nod

[mapoui]

Football, track and field and basketball are sports in which we find individuals of caribbean background performing for nations NOT of their birth but for which they have qualified. Why should the reverse not be the case? And why should cricket be any different?

all dat has indeed evolved..bu that is hardly the problem with sknash. he qualifies and he plays. nobody denied his qualifications by law to play.

but there are other far more important considerations IN SKANSHS CASE AND IN HIS ALONE..SO FAR!

I wud not pick him for the westindies becuase of who he is , his ancestry, racial/social/political/ideological, relative to westindian historical experience..and given the reality I described above in my previous post

sknash came 'home' at 29..not 10 years earlier.

Greenidge for example, chose to play for a westindies team that had been losing, had changed its captain and its prospectes with a lot of young players, were not that hot.

Greenidge was 21 or so, and could have played for england..was qualified for england. greenidge chose his home, his nation, came back to live in andand serve the westindies when his palying career was done

when Ron Headley played for the westindies, he was already a grown man, likely older thans skanshs 29, when he played his 2 for the westindies, but he did not imposed himself on the westindies, was invited by the then wicbc to play for the westindies

[mapoui]

Additionally, his parents have ensured that their child is sufficiently aware of their own backgrounds and the opportunities that this opens up. I think we should applaud their efforts and encourage others who might be right now nurturing spoting stars of the future

that is an incredbile claim Howzzat! why did those people migrate to Oz in the first place?

and what does lil Brondon intend to do when his playing days are done..which is very soon I hope?

will he stay in the westindies now that he knows his background and dat of his family, work in the region, conribute, live?

or is he just the exploitative carpetbagger I accuse him to be..and flee the scene dat afforded him an oportunity his nation of birth did no... for what he likely considers his real home..australia?.

Skanshs entire family lives in Oz..his parents, his sisters etc. will he now move away and live in the westidnies?

this whole skansh business is nonsesne to me. because of his story, who he is he would not have been in the westindies side for me alone. he wud not even be in the Yardie side. I would not give him oportuity over westindian born players period at any level....especially since ordinary westindians of colour are still under so much economic pressure in the westindies

[Googley]

but he did not imposed himself on the westindies, was invited by the then wicbc to play for the westindies

what you mean by that? how is Nash imposing himself on WI? who picked him to play? he pick himself??

[mapoui]

but he did not imposed himself on the westindies, was invited by the then wicbc to play for the westindies

what you mean by that? how is Nash imposing himself on WI? who picked him to play? he pick himself??

the wicb spoke to him in a dream yuh see, and told him to "come west young man, buy a plane ticket and come west."

"and wen yuh there, walking with yuh parents, mek dem curry favour with the old white/brong ring of yardie powah to do the rest..an' presto! yuh in the westindies side."

if wat happen with skansh is not an imposition I have no idea wat dat word means

[The Black Prince]

BRENDAN NASH IS A MEDIOCRE BATSMAN

His test average has now dropped to 34.18

And these are his last 10 test scores:

2, 12, 64, 29, 67, 5, 3, 6, 30, 1 = 219 runs = 21.90 average

THE WEST INDIES VICE CAPTAIN IS IN DANGER OF BEING SHOWN THE DOOR.

He should be shown the door.

[mapoui]

Aaaaahh! the real Black Prince shows up!

if there ever was a medicore batsman it is skansh. he shud be BRINDON 'MEDIOCRE' SKANSH!

If I have to go to such lenghts to pick a batsman like sknash he must be BETTER yuh see...BETTER!

but he is better than no one. he is hardly as good as sarwan, does not have as much promise as lil Bravo, is not better than Samuels..far less talented than Samuels..not close to lil Barath....

sknash is a featherbed bully and falters badly when the bowlers have a chance on a wicket...as his last 10 stats demonstrate clearly!

saksnh pick shud have gone to soemon with a future..anyone with a future at the time..a westindian.

and if it is a westindian-forriner, or a qualified forrinerswho chose to live in the wesindies,\...if they are young...up to 25 ...and have chosen the westindies over their other options... and they are good, and not a passed-over has-been, cud-not-make like sknash, who depends on political strings or cables and the power of skin colour to bully his way into the westindies side..den I have no problem tith that.

but I have every problem with skansh. for me alone he wud be on a plane in the mawning heading HOME....OZ!

[howzdat]

one of the wonderful things about 'forum life' especially on one where the contributors are as passionate as those who take the time to post on windiesfans.com is the the forthright but respectful exchange of views.

In spite of the brief arguments I have so far made here in favour of Nash's incusion in teh squad, I have also remarked that because his performances have been poor this season I would put him on notice that without improvement his place is in jeopardy. Now it looks like the selectors have 'spoken' rather tellingly on the above topic by omitting him from the squad for the next test against India.

While, based on performances, Nash being dropped was always on the cards, the selectors have shown such alacrity in excluding the vice captain from the squad that one wonders if this was made easier for them because they percieve that Nash's inclusion in the team wasn't popular with many of the fans????

To borrow a yardstick that I have seen used by others on the forum: I wonder if his being of mixed race brought with it the 'need' to be 4 times better than the afro and indo windians on the team?

Clearly he is out of form but I would have given him one more game. In temperament, by which I mean 'putting a high price on his wicket', I see Nash being in a similar mould to Chanderpaul; capable of playing a long innings and being someone that the lower order batsmen could support to extend the innings.

As a Windies fan I am grateful for the contributions he has made at a much troubled time in Windies cricket and I wish him all the best in whatever he does.

[mapoui]

if sknash cud actually play and came in as a young man who had chosen the westindies, among the options his parents had given him due to their migration there wud have been no problem at all.

but he cant really play which is why the oz did not select him...and he did not 'choose' the westrindies until this occurred in his 20-ninth year.

then he came 'home' in a cloud of manipulation, sting-pulling and propaganda by his parent and the white-brong - black if we include Gayle as westindian captain - Yardie power ring kicked in in his behalf.

wat was all dat. deh took westindies cfricket and made a thing of it disrecpectful to itself and to the westindian fanbase with all dat....all in facvour of a very medicore lil white bwoy that made us look the fool, esepcailly in the eyes of the Oz who know their cricketers more than everybody save perhaps westindians...and who had some respect for .

I have never seen a jackass dance like dat by a whole elite for nothing really, which is wat skansh was at 29, totally exhausted now of the very little he brought with and had to be discarded.

as a fan I could never, ever accept sknash and his cloud of crap, from the wicb/jca both of which togtether are a piece of crap demselves , determinedly representative of all thats worse, nasty, ridiculous in westindian life at the moment .

skasnh was a jackass, low yield experiment in the first place dat few on the msbs seemed to want to deal with whole...a skunt development..which is why I named him SK-ansh from the start