How can Sammy recover from that shambles?

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AFRO
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The way he got out today left a very bad taste in my mouth, it was absolutely shocking and when lunch came i went to sleep just knowing that we wouldn't be reaching the 400 mark we should have got, then when i woke up i see he's gone WICKETLESS aswell? :roll: so basically he's failed ON BOTH COUNTS, some say he keeps his place because he can make our tail wag a little and add a few runs if our young top order fails but he's barely contributed with the bat since he took over as captain, and his habit of dropping important catches has hurt us more times than i care to remember,

I pray this is the nail in his coffin, how can his role be justified now? i think his replacement is pretty easy to identify, and it's NOT Roach imo, i'd turn to one of the young pacers who are also handy with the bat, that would be Jason Holder, Kevin Mcclean, Andre Russell or Carlos Brathwaite, all tallish guys who would add something a little different to the bowling unit, Jerome Taylor would have been my first choice but sadly he can't seem to stay fit these days.
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Well said, Afro, I couldn't have said it better myself....

I was a bit more pessimistic, though. I was disappointed in our performance on the first day, because I felt some of the guys should've pushed on to three figures, and only Kirk did so. After all, this is only Bangladesh!

But Sammy was dire....

There's no way a player of his experience, who claims to be a decent batsman, should be getting out treading on his wicket, especially since he's not exactly facing the likes of Lillee and Thomson! And those dropped catches had posters on banglacricket.com asking why he fields in the slips in the first place. His bowling on Subcontinent pitches show that he's just a runs truck over there.

Sadly, I don't think that Gibson et al have the guts to sack him before the tour of India. Gibson and his cohorts only have strength for Gayle and 'senior' players....
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As Gayle pointed out, there's a lot of double standards in the way WI cricket has been run these days.
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mikesiva wrote:Well said, Afro, I couldn't have said it better myself....

I was a bit more pessimistic, though. I was disappointed in our performance on the first day, because I felt some of the guys should've pushed on to three figures, and only Kirk did so. After all, this is only Bangladesh!

But Sammy was dire....

There's no way a player of his experience, who claims to be a decent batsman, should be getting out treading on his wicket, especially since he's not exactly facing the likes of Lillee and Thomson! And those dropped catches had posters on banglacricket.com asking why he fields in the slips in the first place. His bowling on Subcontinent pitches show that he's just a runs truck over there.

Sadly, I don't think that Gibson et al have the guts to sack him before the tour of India. Gibson and his cohorts only have strength for Gayle and 'senior' players....
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As Gayle pointed out, there's a lot of double standards in the way WI cricket has been run these days.
I was so angry Mike, i felt like my football team had just let in a goal in the last minuet, all he had to do was stay at the fecking crease for a few more balls and we would have gone into lunch in a decent position, but as usual he fecked things up for us and made it harder than it should have been :roll: , i'm just fed up of this bullshit now, HE AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH, full stop, i'm really praying that they see sense before the India series, having a more balanced side would give us a much better chance.
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the drop-off in pressure even from a wayward roach to Sammy was palpable.

Sammy is not only responsible for what Afro and Mikesiva tabulates above but for the the undue extention of the Bang innings. his bowlng let them off the hook at 60 for 5.

had we one decent fast bowler there to back up Fidel nag wud not have made a ton.

we can start adding to Sammys account all Bangs runs last night past 100
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Well he went wicketless for the whole of Bangladesh's innings!!...so it's a FACT that there was ZERO contribution from the skipper there!!..just madness man!! :roll: .
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Jeez there's no pleasing you guys is there?

In case you haven't noticed we're in a fairly healthy position in the test match and i know it's only Bangladesh, but it's a start.

You're all banging on about Sammy's lack of contribution in the team is the worlds worst kept secret, but as long as Board is running things, nothing is going to change in the immediate future. And i'm sick and tired of this constant recall for Chris Gayle, when it looks highly unlikely to happen now. You may sympathise with his comments/statement, but the way i see it, this all started when he turned down a retainer contract for better financial offers. And what Captain in world cricket do you know plays freelance, without no real commitment to their Country?

As Nasser Hussain says, Sammy is a coin-tosser and doesn't hold merit in the test match team, but as long as the team goes out there, gives 100% for their Captain and play with pride and commitment, regardless of our "superstars" missing, i haven't got a problem with it. Because the simple truth is, i've lost count the amount of times our experienced seniors went out there and played with no motivation and no effort, in which they treated playing for their country as a chore and not a honour. Need i remind anybody of the recent World Cup in India?

I'm not saying that i condone the way the Board and Coach have gone about their business, but as long as the team that's put out there, are giving it everything they've got, then as a West Indies supporter, i'll always back their efforts on the field and not let politics, cloud my overall opinion.
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silvermaine yu making the same mistake with our criticism of sammy as AFRO makes with the wicb/gibbo

if soemthing wrong yu fix it..no matter the oppostion or the level of play of the westindies or any temporary good state of things.

we know its wrong for sammy to be captain, we know his level of play sucks and it is unlikely to get better, save in condtions ideal for his syle of bowling

we know that if sammy stays cappo, it will result soon enuff to our huge cost.

it is our responsibility to criticise his play and leadership and the decison to maintain him as cappo..the decison to make him cappo in the first place.

what the wicb does is not our responsibility. but it is our responsibility to stand up for what we see to be right and agitate to get it implemented.

and how long do yu think the palyers will continue to play for sammy, if he continues to suck on the field costing the team and the westindies?

this is Bang and sammys failure has not been decisive to this point. the team has carried it so far. but similar failure wont wash against India and the better teams.

we will get one chance against those teams we better take..or pay heavilly for it. dropped catches in the slip wont wash against Dravid and company.

westindian bowlers will not continue to be happy with sammys dropped catches that spoil their averages when deh are trying hard, bowling their liver strings out in an overall weak team.

I dont even know dat deh are in fact playing well for sammy now as yu claim. I wud have to see that in writing.

but I know it wont last long if true. as soon as a slip catch is dropped in India and the fortunate batsman turns it on for a big ton yu will see how 'happy' the team is with sammy, to be extended for hours in the field due to a dropped catch
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Silvamaine wrote:Jeez there's no pleasing you guys is there?

In case you haven't noticed we're in a fairly healthy position in the test match and i know it's only Bangladesh, but it's a start.

You're all banging on about Sammy's lack of contribution in the team is the worlds worst kept secret, but as long as Board is running things, nothing is going to change in the immediate future. And i'm sick and tired of this constant recall for Chris Gayle, when it looks highly unlikely to happen now. You may sympathise with his comments/statement, but the way i see it, this all started when he turned down a retainer contract for better financial offers. And what Captain in world cricket do you know plays freelance, without no real commitment to their Country?

As Nasser Hussain says, Sammy is a coin-tosser and doesn't hold merit in the test match team, but as long as the team goes out there, gives 100% for their Captain and play with pride and commitment, regardless of our "superstars" missing, i haven't got a problem with it. Because the simple truth is, i've lost count the amount of times our experienced seniors went out there and played with no motivation and no effort, in which they treated playing for their country as a chore and not a honour. Need i remind anybody of the recent World Cup in India?

I'm not saying that i condone the way the Board and Coach have gone about their business, but as long as the team that's put out there, are giving it everything they've got, then as a West Indies supporter, i'll always back their efforts on the field and not let politics, cloud my overall opinion.
Silvamaine where the hell did this come from? :shock: , this discussion has nothing to do with the board, it's about our "captain" failing the team once again and not contributing anything of any significance, yes we might be winning but shouldn't we ALWAYS be looking to improve the team? :roll: having a captain drag us down in India will be suicide, WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT,

Furthermore if you've read some of my previous posts you'd know that i don't want Gayle to come back as i'd prefe us to keep blooding the youngster and my views on the WICB aren't as hostile as others, i give them credit when credit is due (like what they've done with the HPC for example) and i'll give them stick when they let us down, it's that simple to me.
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an early morning mare crossed my mind between sleep and wake a few hours ago watching the stream and a lil Bravo 4444444.

suppose Fidel induces a rusty Sehwag to edge early and sammy drops it. Sehwag den settles, works out his rust and gives westindies another tripple to take home

OH MI Gord!!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

India had only a fit Dravid to pile on a few months ago in the westindies. this time Gambir, Sehwag...all ah dem more fit than not. and Sehwag and gambir are not older....AND ARE PLAYING AT HOME..IN INDIA!

yu know wat dat means..and has always meant for India.

go on silver.....dont fix it. and dont bawl in deh head to mek dem fix it and you will see the end result!
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and who wants gayle back as captain?
not me!

I had been blastng gayles captaincy from about a year into his tenure. as westindies captain gayle did things that have destroyed his credibility as far as I am concerned I am glad he is no longer captain.

if he is selected again as batsman I have no quarrell with that but I wont cry if he is not..a poistion I have established cleary here for all to see

gayle in the side strenghtens the batting significantly if he plays well. but I dont know that gayles influence in the side is a postive one

all thats in gayles favour at this time is the sick wicb attitude to his place in westindies cricket and their insistence on an apology for nothing, no reason at all. makes hunte and dem look like the sick and incompetent administraive bullies deh are..and gives gayle an undeserving glow of righteousness he does not deserve.
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